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Thunderhead Creations Tauren MTL RTA - Review

Thunderhead Creations Tauren MTL RTA - Review
Hi Reddit readers, In this review i take a look at the Tauren MTL RTA from Thunderhead Creations. The Tauren MTL RTA was supplied for the purpose of this review by Thunderhead Creations.
http://thunderheadcreations.com/atomizer...6/160.html
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Introduction
Thunderhead Creations seem to continuously release quality products with most of their popular products carrying the Tauren name. They are best known though for DL atomizers and mechanical devices so a MTL RTA is a bit off tangent compared to their usual releases. The Tauren MTL RTA offers a unique airflow, easy to build raised GTA style single coil build deck, outstanding build quality and a short thread convenient top-fill design. Being as i said a bit off tangent for Thunderhead Creations will it fall flat or leave me Thunderstruck!!!!
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In The Box
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Contents:
1 x Tauren MTL RTA 1 x Metal Case 1 x Long Drip Tip 1 x Spare Glass 2 x Spare Hex Screws 3 x Spare Slot Screws 1 x Allen Key 1 x Slot Screwdriver 1 x Organic Premium Cotton 2 x MTL Fused Clapton Coils Spare O-rings 1 x User Manual 1 x QC Card 1 x Warranty Card
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Aesthetics
THC products always come packaged nicely and being an RTA it comes in their usual Stainless Steel canister placed along with all the accessories in a tagged pouch, very nice as usual!!! I received both the Stainless Steel and Silver Black options, the colour choices are Black, Stainless Steel, Silver Black or Gunmetal. The lid of the Stainless Steel cannister (or base depending how you view it) also doubles up has an atomizer stand with 510 threading which is a nice touch!
On the bottom we have the airflow control ring which with a rectangular cut-out for airflow control, central groove and heavy knurling above and below the groove reminds me of a belt with the airflow opening being the buckle. The top-cap has the same central groove with knurling for grip both above and below but is much narrower before stepping to a 510 drip-tip fitment. This stepping is even more emphasised when installing the included long drip tip which has a stepped Stainless Steel base section, the pre-installed 510 is a nipple style MTL.
The glass has a Stainless Steel sleeve for protection which people will tend to love or hate, i love it with the nicely engraved Tauren logo on the front and honeycomb cut-out design which also allows the viewing of your e-liquid but of course some prefer a more plain look! Moving to the base we have etched branding and safety marks and the Gold plated 510 protrudes enough to be fine on a mechanical device.
The Tauren MTL RTA follows the recent trend of quite large MTL RTA's and with the long drip tip installed looks quite a beast, the build quality, machining, threading and tolerances are spot on, it's a solid, well made RTA!
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Tauren MTL RTA Specs and Features:
Diameter: 24mm Height: 50mm Material: Stainless Steel Capacity: 2ml Drip Tip: 510 Deck: Single Coil Fill Type: Top-fill Airflow: MTL/RDL Innovative 360°Infinitely Variable Airflow Control System 61pcs Micro Honeycomb bottom airflow outlet Optimized curved inner airflow channel design Two post build deck is easy to build Convenient short threaded top-fill design Long 510 drip tip included Thread: 510 Colours: Black, Stainless Steel, Silver Black, Gunmetal
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What You Receive?
Answer, loads; very impressed! As well as the Tauren MTL RTA with pre-installed nipple style drip-tip you also receive a longer drip-tip and spare glass. In the pouch is also a slotted quality screwdriver and a bag of accessories.
The bag contains all the paperwork and a smaller bag containing cotton and 2 spaced MTL fused claptons with full specs (30ga*2+38ga Ni80 2.5mmID 0.6ohm). Also in the bag is an Allen wrench, both hex and slotted spare grub screws and spare O-rings.
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It's Various Parts
The Tauren MTL RTA can be stripped down into it's various parts and reassembled very easily but here comes one of only 2 cons i have for this and it's the sleeve is fixed and can't be moved, the glass can be moved easy enough by just using the slotted screwdriver through one of the top honeycomb cut-outs and pushing down and it press fits back into place no hassles but far from ideal for cleaning purposes as much as anything else!
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Up top the pre-installed Delrin drip tip can be replaced with the two piece longer drip tip which has a 510 fitting stepped Stainless Steel base section and then a long Delrin MTL style top section which screws into the Stainless Steel base, of course if you prefer you can use one of your own which is always a great option to have.
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I prefer bayonet fitting top-caps as threaded can take a good few turns to remove but here we have a short threaded top-cap which is less than 2 full turns to remove or secure, the smoothness of the threading just oozes quality! Once off we have deep sitting large fill ports, absolutely no issues at all. The fill plate is attached to the sleeve that protects the glass as already described. Removing the base section again shows off the superb threading and also reveals a very clean looking raised GTA style build deck with showerhead bottom airflow!
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The Airflow
The Tauren MTL RTA has a unique airflow system which isn't going to be that easy to describe but luckily enough there are pictures from their website i have included that are self explanatory so gets me out of jail on this one but i will do my best!
The air enters via 6 small airflow holes on the side of the base and is directed up a curved inlet channel before entering the deck through a showerhead style outlet directly below where your coil will be installed. This circular airflow showerhead outlet consists of a total of 61 0.35mm honeycomb airflow holes which appear to the naked eye as almost small pin holes!
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As well as the 2 rows of three airflow holes on the side of the base these holes are at the end of a recessed channel that travels around almost the entire perimeter of the base very gradually becoming narrower the further away from the airflow holes you get!
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The rectangular cut-out on the airflow control ring can be lined up with the 6 airflow holes for full airflow or it can be turned to have 4 or 2 holes wide open! This is where this design gets clever as the airflow positions i have described so far are for your RDL and loose MTL draws. You can carry on turning the rectangular slot on the AFC but now you are feeding the airflow holes via the recessed channel which the further away from the airflow holes you get the narrower the channel gets so the tighter the draw! Full marks for innovation! As the chamber along with airflow are two factors influencing flavour i need to also mention we have quite a domed interior to the chamber which is smoothly machined!
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The Deck
The Tauren MTL RTA has such a clean looking deck with both deep wicking channels and side threading which means the build area will sit in the top half of the chamber making it quite reduced. It's a raised GTA style deck and although this is a 24mm RTA the build deck itself is 15.5mm in diameter which is more in line with a 22mm RTA deck. We have side by side posts with your leads just getting fastened down from above so it allows for a very easy straightforward build!
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The Build
As mentioned we have side by side posts and hex screws that get fastened from above although the spares include both more hex screws but also some slot style if you prefer, personally hex are my favourite.
Just slot your leads through the terminals and while holding the coil over the showerhead airflow outlet tighten your leads down. Then just use a coiling rod or fit for purpose tool to position your coil at the correct height and snip your access leads. I always after snipping the leads just recheck the leads are fastened tight and although i used one of the included spaced coils i sill gave it a few low wattage pulses to burn off any residue.
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Wicking is straightforward although if you look at my build when i chain vaped it did start drying out and was on the cusp of a burnt hit so i re-wicked doing everything the same but just cut the cotton ends at an angle to reduce the cotton in the channels to give more efficient wicking and that worked a treat!
So just cut your cotton long enough to feed the wicking ports and with you cotton ends unlike in the photos cut at an angle just tuck the cotton into the channels, prime and give it a few pulses to admire your work!!!! very easy build indeed!
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Thunderhead Creations also sent me a box of the coils which consists of 5 small jars with 2 coils in each and from looking at pictures they do a number of different types of coils at varying resistances packaged the same way. They also sent a tin of cotton which i have already used with another RTA when it needed a re-wick and was very impressed, virtually zero break-in time and clean flavour!
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How It Vapes? And Thoughts!
Simply blown away!!!! that would sum it up but let's get into the detail. Apart from being unbelievably impressed with the Tauren MTL RTA like anything it does have a couple of cons for me both to do with the Stainless Steel sleeve. First it's fixed in position so how you need to use something like a slotted screwdriver to remove the glass isn't ideal and again not ideal for cleaning purposes. The other con for me is a trade off i am willing to have and that's that although we have honeycomb cut-outs for viewing your e-liquid, visibility isn't that great so you do need to train your eye and again when filling it's a little tricky to see your level but that's it! Pros all the way! I suppose only being 2ml capacity could be seen as a con but it makes sense, it's a MTL RTA and the TPD regulations is 2ml so it saves messing around with bung reducing inserts plus as mentioned this is large for a MTL RTA and although i like it i wouldn't want it any bigger.
Despite the cons surrounding the sleeve i for one love the look and also it needs pointing out just how good the machining, threading and tolerances are, it's really top quality. The top-cap comes off almost as quick as a bayonet fitting and the silky smooth threading oozes class. The clean looking deck is machined perfectly and with the side by side posts with large terminals for a MTL offering it's such an easy build.
The standout though is the innovative airflow design, just the angled inlet and showerhead outlet consisting of 61 0.35mm honeycomb holes would of been a great design guaranteeing smoothness but then we have that innovative recessed channel feeding the airflow inlet holes that is used for your MTL draws.
Innovation is one thing but when it delivers like this the jury goes out on "why has nobody thought of this before"! with the AFC rectangular cut-out lined up with the six holes it gives a smooth RDL draw and then you can close down to 4 or 2 holes for a very loose and loose MTL. Once you start using the channel for airflow you can dial in the exact draw you are after right up to very tight and i can honestly say i haven't used any airflow design that allows for as much precision as this allows for, it works absolutely great and is smooth across the board!
Of course for most vapers having a super smooth, quiet airflow that offers this much precision and draw options will be poor consolation if it doesn't deliver on flavour! Absolutely no need to worry apart from the Nevermore that just edges it for flavour this is as good as any MTL RTA i have used, the flavour is absolutely cracking!!!!! Winner all the way!
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Likes
Excellent build quality Machining, threading and tolerances high quality Excellently packaged, RTA in a Stainless Steel cannister with 510 threaded lid/base, Everything then in a tagged pouch!! 4 Colour options Nicely engraved Tauren logo Honeycomb design glass protection sleeve (subjective) Short thread top-cap (silky smooth threading) Mess free top-fill 2 different MTL drip tips included 510 drip tip fitting, can use your own Spare glass included Both hex and slotted screws Good quality tools included 2 MTL Fused Claptons with full specs, also cotton included Innovative 360degree airflow feeding channel! Showerhead bottom airflow outlet (61 0.35mm honeycomb air outlets!) RDL and full MTL spectrum! Most precise airflow used to date! Silky smooth silent airflow across the board! Cracking Flavour!
Cons
Stainless Steel sleeve can't be removed Not the best visibility of your e-juice level
I would once again like to thank Thunderhead Creations for supplying the Tauren MTL RTA for the purpose of this review, thanks for reading and stay safe!
http://thunderheadcreations.com/atomizer...6/160.html
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OXVA Arbiter RTA - Review

OXVA Arbiter RTA - Review
Hi Reddit readers, In this review i take a look at the Arbiter RTA from OXVA. The OXVA Arbiter RTA was supplied for the purpose of this review by Tina from 3avape.
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Introduction
The ex Head Designer at Geekvape who brought us the Zeus and Aegis has made quite an impact with his new company OXVA over it's first year manufacturing products. After a few excellent pod mods and AIO devices we see OXVA not limping but diving head first into the rebuildable scene with a beast of a dual RTA, the Arbiter!
The Arbiter with the bubble glass is 31mm in diameter and has a generous 6ml capacity. It features top to bottom leak resistant airflow, Bayonet fitting top-cap and an easy build deck! Coming in 5 different colour options let's check out OXVA's RTA debut!!!!!!!
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In The Box
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Contents:
1 x Arbiter RTA (bubble glass) (6ml) 1 x Straight glass tube (4ml) 2 x Fused clapton coil 2 x Shoelace cotton 1 x User manual 2 x Sets O-rings Spare hex grub screws 1 x Mystery Tool ????? 1 x Allen wrench 1 x 519 drip tip adaptor
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Aesthetics
The Arbiter came in a sturdy cardboard box with outer cardboard sleeve and on opening in the upper tier we have the rather large Arbiter RTA with installed bubble glass with spare straight glass to one side, all other accessories are below. I received the Black version the options are Stainless Steel, Rainbow, Gunmetal, Red Black or Black.
Up top we have a low profile Delrin 810 which sits on a platform that steps from the top-cap which has a design which helps with grip. Below we have a broad airflow control ring with large dual cyclops and also 2 "OXVA" logos carved into the metal. Mine has Red O-rings which stand out but the retail will have Black, looking through the pre-installed bubble glass we can see a logo on one side of the chamber and "ARBITER" printed on the other. The base section is quite narrow but has aggressive carvings to give good grip then looking at the base we have more printed branding and safety marks, the 510 is Gold plated and protrudes nicely, i would have no issue with this being used on a mechanical device!
The diameter is 26.5mm at the very base but that's quite misleading as it tapers sharply to 28mm and is 31mm with the bubble glass fitted. The overall build quality is very good with both smooth threading and nice machining!
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Arbiter Specs and Features:
Diameter: 31mm (26.5mm at very base, 28mm with straight glass) Height: 54mm Juice Capacity: 6ml Bubble Glass & 4ml Straight Glass Fill Port: Top Fill Airflow: Top to Bottom Drip Tip: 810 & 510 Drip Tip adaptor Coil: Dual Coil Top-to-bottom airflow 100% Leak-proof design Big capacity of 6ml 810/510 Replaceable drip tip Raised U-shaped build deck Colours: Stainless Steel, Rainbow, Gunmetal, Red Black, Black
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What You Receive?
As well as the RTA with installed Goon fitting 810 and pre-installed bubble glass you receive a straight glass and a special tool which is that special it's a secret to what it's actually for. I just can't work out what it does or how it is needed and see no mention of it either on their website or in the manual!
You also get a bag of goodies that include 2 sets of O-rings (I received an extra set of Red and a set of White), hex grub screws, a 510 drip tip adaptor and an Allen wrench. I have been informed with the retail version all O-rings will actually be Black both pre-installed and the spare sets.
Finally as well as the paperwork you receive 2 shoelace cotton pieces and 2 Fused Claptons with full specs. They are Ni80 28ga*3+40ga 3.0mmID 6 wraps, 0.4ohm per coil. For those that tend to toss included coils you definitely won't be tossing these, a very nice pair of Fused Claptons! Overall very happy with what is included so no complaints whatsoever!
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It's Various Parts!
The Arbiter disassembles into it's various parts very easily and reassembles just as easily with no issues!
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Up top we have a quite low profile goon fit 810 so you can use your own or even fit the included 510 adaptor if you prefer. The top cap has a bayonet fit so just a quarter of a turn to release and again a quarter turn to secure. The fill plate reveals 2 decent size ports and is concave so any spillage will still find its way through the ports. The fill plate is attached to the chamber section and airflow intakes which are dual large cyclops and we have an airflow control ring for full adjustment. The bubble glass is pre-installed and fits over the top O-ring quite loosely but i have been informed the Red O-rings have been replaced by more substantial Black O-rings so hopefully that isn't going to be a problem!
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Inside the chamber we have an attachment that secures by a top O-ring and fits across the raised deck section. Finally we have the base section with raised GTA style U shaped deck and on the very bottom a Gold plated protruding 510.
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The Airflow
The Arbiter has a top to bottom leak resistant airflow design which rather than the usual double chamber has a fitted attachment to create the voids to allow airflow to reach the deck!
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We have dual cyclops with an airflow control ring and the air goes through these slots which comes out into the top of the chamber. The attachment fits to the chimney section at the top of the chamber and slots across the deck doing 2 things. First it gives a wall either side creating a void for the air to travel down from the cyclops slots between the chamber wall and the walls created by the attachment either side which then goes between the lower sections of the posts either side and then upwards giving true bottom airflow! The second thing it does is this attachment as far as your build is concerned becomes the inner chamber which is now very condensed. This means having two large voids for the air to travel down rather than a thin cavity as you would get with the usual outer and inner chamber will give a lot of airflow while the now condensed chamber area should encourage flavour!
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The Deck and Build!
The Arbiter has a GTA style deck with four raised angled posts with a gap either side towards the bottom allowing the air to travel through this gap then up hitting the bottom of each coil.
Your leads of both coils just need sliding through the terminals which then can be tightened down via the side hex screws also on the angle. Then simply use a coiling rod or fit for purpose tool to position your coils more towards the posts rather than the centre so the airflow will hit the bottom of each coil directly. A good design feature of this deck is there is a recessed area where your excess leads need snipping for easy access and also mean this isn't a shorting candidate!
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Now on a low wattage pulse your coils to get them glowing from the inside out, strumming if needed to get rid of any hotspots!
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You wick the Arbiter just like any GTA style deck but because the posts are raised there is more distance than usual from each coil to the wicking channels so you will need to leave your cotton ends longer than usual. Then just give your ends a fluff up and tuck into the channels. Bare in mind the distance the juice needs to travel to get to the coil to judge based on if you tend to be at a higher wattage or are a chain vaper whether you need to thin your ends out but don't thin out too much else you might get flooding issues.
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Now just fit the attachment in place over your build and screw the base back onto the tank (it will all line up automatically and the O-ring at the top of the attachment will press into place), fill and enjoy!
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How It Vapes? And Thoughts!
It would be a bit silly to say for a debut what a great RTA because it's designed by Justin Lai so far from a debut for him! This is a big beast which does bring the obvious con that this is only going to look good on top of a device that allows 28mm or bigger atomizers which needs baring in mind. Also although Simon from OXVA has told me the O-rings will be both Black and more substantial on the retail version i can only review what i have and the glass is a bit of a loose fit although the straight glass fits tighter. The only other con i have is this isn't great for those that like high wattage or chain vape as the wicking dries out but luckily for me liking a warm but not hot vape i was at 60w with the 0.16ohm build which was fine even with some chain vaping. When with the same build i went to 80w then it struggled to keep up with any form of chain vaping, thinning the wicks would help but there is a fine line between wicking effectively or getting a risk of flooding!
I have seen on some specs for this it is for a dual or single build and indeed the chamber is condensed enough and a single build is perfectly possible but with the coil needing to be more towards the posts rather than central to get the full effect of the airflow and also you would need a very large ID coil to have enough cotton to fill the wicking channels then in my opinion a single build isn't a great option!
I really like not just the bayonet top-cap but also the concave fill plate that means any spillage still finds it's way through the ports. The top to bottom airflow gives a leak resistant solution and the design using the attachment allows far more air than most top to bottom airflow tanks which is great for those that like bags of air and big clouds while still allowing the airflow to be closed down for some restriction which is how i used it with the airflow just a third open. The build couldn't be much easier and i love the large capacity, it says 6ml in the specs but 7ml on the box so let's just call it a very generous 6ml. I like what is included and the coils are a pair of the best looking fused claptons i have received with an atomizer so a big pro for that. The supplied 810 was a little too low profile for me so i fitted one of my own and you also get a 510 adaptor for those that religiously only use 510's.
The Arbiter does have quite a bit of branding some subtle which is carved into the metal and some bold, it doesn't bother me but some will find this a subjective con. The airflow isn't over turbulent and when it came to flavour the condensed chamber really delivers, i wouldn't go as far as outstanding but it's very very good!!!!!
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Likes
Good threading and machining 5 Colour options Bayonet top-cap Concave fill plate Leak resistant top to bottom airflow Condensed chamber formed by chamber attachment Goon fit 810, fit your own Included 510 drip tip adaptor Included straight glass 6ml Capacity One of the easiest dual builds i have done Very good included pair of fused claptons (full specs given) Shoelace cotton included Bags of air Very good flavour
Cons
Bubble glass a bit loose on top O-ring (been told this as been addressed) If at high wattage or chain vaping struggles to wick A lot of branding (might be a subjective con to some) Supplied 810 quite low profile (a subjective con for me) Large so will only look good on top of devices that accommodate 28mm atomizers or bigger
I would once again like to thank Tina from 3avape for supplying the OXVA Arbiter RTA for the purpose of this review, thanks for reading and stay safe!
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Thunderhead Creations Tauren MTL RTA - Review

Thunderhead Creations Tauren MTL RTA - Review
Hi Reddit readers, In this review i take a look at the Tauren MTL RTA from Thunderhead Creations. The Tauren MTL RTA was supplied for the purpose of this review by Thunderhead Creations.
http://thunderheadcreations.com/atomizer...6/160.html
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Introduction
Thunderhead Creations seem to continuously release quality products with most of their popular products carrying the Tauren name. They are best known though for DL atomizers and mechanical devices so a MTL RTA is a bit off tangent compared to their usual releases. The Tauren MTL RTA offers a unique airflow, easy to build raised GTA style single coil build deck, outstanding build quality and a short thread convenient top-fill design. Being as i said a bit off tangent for Thunderhead Creations will it fall flat or leave me Thunderstruck!!!!
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In The Box
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Contents:
1 x Tauren MTL RTA 1 x Metal Case 1 x Long Drip Tip 1 x Spare Glass 2 x Spare Hex Screws 3 x Spare Slot Screws 1 x Allen Key 1 x Slot Screwdriver 1 x Organic Premium Cotton 2 x MTL Fused Clapton Coils Spare O-rings 1 x User Manual 1 x QC Card 1 x Warranty Card
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Aesthetics
THC products always come packaged nicely and being an RTA it comes in their usual Stainless Steel canister placed along with all the accessories in a tagged pouch, very nice as usual!!! I received both the Stainless Steel and Silver Black options, the colour choices are Black, Stainless Steel, Silver Black or Gunmetal. The lid of the Stainless Steel cannister (or base depending how you view it) also doubles up has an atomizer stand with 510 threading which is a nice touch!
On the bottom we have the airflow control ring which with a rectangular cut-out for airflow control, central groove and heavy knurling above and below the groove reminds me of a belt with the airflow opening being the buckle. The top-cap has the same central groove with knurling for grip both above and below but is much narrower before stepping to a 510 drip-tip fitment. This stepping is even more emphasised when installing the included long drip tip which has a stepped Stainless Steel base section, the pre-installed 510 is a nipple style MTL.
The glass has a Stainless Steel sleeve for protection which people will tend to love or hate, i love it with the nicely engraved Tauren logo on the front and honeycomb cut-out design which also allows the viewing of your e-liquid but of course some prefer a more plain look! Moving to the base we have etched branding and safety marks and the Gold plated 510 protrudes enough to be fine on a mechanical device.
The Tauren MTL RTA follows the recent trend of quite large MTL RTA's and with the long drip tip installed looks quite a beast, the build quality, machining, threading and tolerances are spot on, it's a solid, well made RTA!
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Tauren MTL RTA Specs and Features:
Diameter: 24mm Height: 50mm Material: Stainless Steel Capacity: 2ml Drip Tip: 510 Deck: Single Coil Fill Type: Top-fill Airflow: MTL/RDL Innovative 360°Infinitely Variable Airflow Control System 61pcs Micro Honeycomb bottom airflow outlet Optimized curved inner airflow channel design Two post build deck is easy to build Convenient short threaded top-fill design Long 510 drip tip included Thread: 510 Colours: Black, Stainless Steel, Silver Black, Gunmetal
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What You Receive?
Answer, loads; very impressed! As well as the Tauren MTL RTA with pre-installed nipple style drip-tip you also receive a longer drip-tip and spare glass. In the pouch is also a slotted quality screwdriver and a bag of accessories.
The bag contains all the paperwork and a smaller bag containing cotton and 2 spaced MTL fused claptons with full specs (30ga*2+38ga Ni80 2.5mmID 0.6ohm). Also in the bag is an Allen wrench, both hex and slotted spare grub screws and spare O-rings.
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It's Various Parts
The Tauren MTL RTA can be stripped down into it's various parts and reassembled very easily but here comes one of only 2 cons i have for this and it's the sleeve is fixed and can't be moved, the glass can be moved easy enough by just using the slotted screwdriver through one of the top honeycomb cut-outs and pushing down and it press fits back into place no hassles but far from ideal for cleaning purposes as much as anything else!
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Up top the pre-installed Delrin drip tip can be replaced with the two piece longer drip tip which has a 510 fitting stepped Stainless Steel base section and then a long Delrin MTL style top section which screws into the Stainless Steel base, of course if you prefer you can use one of your own which is always a great option to have.
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I prefer bayonet fitting top-caps as threaded can take a good few turns to remove but here we have a short threaded top-cap which is less than 2 full turns to remove or secure, the smoothness of the threading just oozes quality! Once off we have deep sitting large fill ports, absolutely no issues at all. The fill plate is attached to the sleeve that protects the glass as already described. Removing the base section again shows off the superb threading and also reveals a very clean looking raised GTA style build deck with showerhead bottom airflow!
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The Airflow
The Tauren MTL RTA has a unique airflow system which isn't going to be that easy to describe but luckily enough there are pictures from their website i have included that are self explanatory so gets me out of jail on this one but i will do my best!
The air enters via 6 small airflow holes on the side of the base and is directed up a curved inlet channel before entering the deck through a showerhead style outlet directly below where your coil will be installed. This circular airflow showerhead outlet consists of a total of 61 0.35mm honeycomb airflow holes which appear to the naked eye as almost small pin holes!
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As well as the 2 rows of three airflow holes on the side of the base these holes are at the end of a recessed channel that travels around almost the entire perimeter of the base very gradually becoming narrower the further away from the airflow holes you get!
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The rectangular cut-out on the airflow control ring can be lined up with the 6 airflow holes for full airflow or it can be turned to have 4 or 2 holes wide open! This is where this design gets clever as the airflow positions i have described so far are for your RDL and loose MTL draws. You can carry on turning the rectangular slot on the AFC but now you are feeding the airflow holes via the recessed channel which the further away from the airflow holes you get the narrower the channel gets so the tighter the draw! Full marks for innovation! As the chamber along with airflow are two factors influencing flavour i need to also mention we have quite a domed interior to the chamber which is smoothly machined!
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The Deck
The Tauren MTL RTA has such a clean looking deck with both deep wicking channels and side threading which means the build area will sit in the top half of the chamber making it quite reduced. It's a raised GTA style deck and although this is a 24mm RTA the build deck itself is 15.5mm in diameter which is more in line with a 22mm RTA deck. We have side by side posts with your leads just getting fastened down from above so it allows for a very easy straightforward build!
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The Build
As mentioned we have side by side posts and hex screws that get fastened from above although the spares include both more hex screws but also some slot style if you prefer, personally hex are my favourite.
Just slot your leads through the terminals and while holding the coil over the showerhead airflow outlet tighten your leads down. Then just use a coiling rod or fit for purpose tool to position your coil at the correct height and snip your access leads. I always after snipping the leads just recheck the leads are fastened tight and although i used one of the included spaced coils i sill gave it a few low wattage pulses to burn off any residue.
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Wicking is straightforward although if you look at my build when i chain vaped it did start drying out and was on the cusp of a burnt hit so i re-wicked doing everything the same but just cut the cotton ends at an angle to reduce the cotton in the channels to give more efficient wicking and that worked a treat!
So just cut your cotton long enough to feed the wicking ports and with you cotton ends unlike in the photos cut at an angle just tuck the cotton into the channels, prime and give it a few pulses to admire your work!!!! very easy build indeed!
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Thunderhead Creations also sent me a box of the coils which consists of 5 small jars with 2 coils in each and from looking at pictures they do a number of different types of coils at varying resistances packaged the same way. They also sent a tin of cotton which i have already used with another RTA when it needed a re-wick and was very impressed, virtually zero break-in time and clean flavour!
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How It Vapes? And Thoughts!
Simply blown away!!!! that would sum it up but let's get into the detail. Apart from being unbelievably impressed with the Tauren MTL RTA like anything it does have a couple of cons for me both to do with the Stainless Steel sleeve. First it's fixed in position so how you need to use something like a slotted screwdriver to remove the glass isn't ideal and again not ideal for cleaning purposes. The other con for me is a trade off i am willing to have and that's that although we have honeycomb cut-outs for viewing your e-liquid, visibility isn't that great so you do need to train your eye and again when filling it's a little tricky to see your level but that's it! Pros all the way! I suppose only being 2ml capacity could be seen as a con but it makes sense, it's a MTL RTA and the TPD regulations is 2ml so it saves messing around with bung reducing inserts plus as mentioned this is large for a MTL RTA and although i like it i wouldn't want it any bigger.
Despite the cons surrounding the sleeve i for one love the look and also it needs pointing out just how good the machining, threading and tolerances are, it's really top quality. The top-cap comes off almost as quick as a bayonet fitting and the silky smooth threading oozes class. The clean looking deck is machined perfectly and with the side by side posts with large terminals for a MTL offering it's such an easy build.
The standout though is the innovative airflow design, just the angled inlet and showerhead outlet consisting of 61 0.35mm honeycomb holes would of been a great design guaranteeing smoothness but then we have that innovative recessed channel feeding the airflow inlet holes that is used for your MTL draws.
Innovation is one thing but when it delivers like this the jury goes out on "why has nobody thought of this before"! with the AFC rectangular cut-out lined up with the six holes it gives a smooth RDL draw and then you can close down to 4 or 2 holes for a very loose and loose MTL. Once you start using the channel for airflow you can dial in the exact draw you are after right up to very tight and i can honestly say i haven't used any airflow design that allows for as much precision as this allows for, it works absolutely great and is smooth across the board!
Of course for most vapers having a super smooth, quiet airflow that offers this much precision and draw options will be poor consolation if it doesn't deliver on flavour! Absolutely no need to worry apart from the Nevermore that just edges it for flavour this is as good as any MTL RTA i have used, the flavour is absolutely cracking!!!!! Winner all the way!
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Likes
Excellent build quality Machining, threading and tolerances high quality Excellently packaged, RTA in a Stainless Steel cannister with 510 threaded lid/base, Everything then in a tagged pouch!! 4 Colour options Nicely engraved Tauren logo Honeycomb design glass protection sleeve (subjective) Short thread top-cap (silky smooth threading) Mess free top-fill 2 different MTL drip tips included 510 drip tip fitting, can use your own Spare glass included Both hex and slotted screws Good quality tools included 2 MTL Fused Claptons with full specs, also cotton included Innovative 360degree airflow feeding channel! Showerhead bottom airflow outlet (61 0.35mm honeycomb air outlets!) RDL and full MTL spectrum! Most precise airflow used to date! Silky smooth silent airflow across the board! Cracking Flavour!
Cons
Stainless Steel sleeve can't be removed Not the best visibility of your e-juice level
I would once again like to thank Thunderhead Creations for supplying the Tauren MTL RTA for the purpose of this review, thanks for reading and stay safe!
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DELL G5 SE (Ryzen 5) after 1 month of usage

Skip this if you're looking for game benchmarks because there's a lot of other stuff than just benchmarks. I bought this laptop on 9th August for 75k from Flipkart which I think is a very exciting deal(in India obviously) for something that sits in between a 1660ti and 2060 in terms of performance. After I bought the laptop I have to say that I was extremely disappointed with the frequent crashes (even after the BIOS update) when I ran a benchmark like Unigine Heaven. I was very aware of a lot of reviews mentioning the crash issue but I had good hopes for the sheer performance of this machine. I don't know why I, I really loved this machine. It was perfectly fine for normal use but whenever I play a game it crashes like after maybe an hour or so. Even worse are benchmarks, it crashes at the second run. Awful thermals (100c out of the box). The return policy of Flipkart is even messed up. You have to return the laptop to the manufacturer i.e. Dell only to get it replaced by the same device with the same exact problem. It's the messed up driver issues obviously. A solid 1/10 experience in the first month. Still I didn't let go of my hopes!
So what's changed? AMD released the new version of Radeon software (20.9.1 version, 16/09/2020) fixing all of the mentioned issues. I had to manually download and install it from AMD site. It didn't show up in the Dell support assist app too( which runs some tests and looks for new driver updates). No more crashes under gaming/ benchmarks. Surprisingly the thermals are fixed too. Mid 80s CPU and 75ish GPU temps under full load . I had to get my SSD replaced for free because the laptop ran so hot under my previous benchmarks that it exceeded the SSD thermal threshold (This is just my unit. Nobody else faced this issue).
Performance [10/10]: Just one word: excellent. I thought of not including any game benchmarks but here's a little run down on max settings. I played COD Warzone and it ran at 80+ fps, GTA V 85 fps, Valorant 150+ fps, Apex Legends 100+,R6 Siege 120+, Euro Truck Simulator 120+ fps..... Check Jarrod's Tech YT for benchmarks.
Screen [6/10]: Very mediocre. Around 65% sRGB. There's screen backlight bleed when viewing pitch black stuff( I don't know if it's just my unit). And not to mention the 60hz, not a good experience for a gaming laptop. Since I'm someone who prefer visuals over high framerate it wasn't really an issue for me. NOT FOR COMPETITIVE GAMING.
Battery [9/10]: I was really surprised about the battery life considering it's a gaming laptop at just 51Wh. It lasted me over 6 hours of casual usage at medium brightness, Backlight 5 sec timeout in balanced mode( YouTube, Reddit, Browsing). I don't play games on battery so yeah.. It won't last over an hour obviously.
Expandability: 2 Ram slots are already occupied by 2x 4GB 3200 CL22 memory. So if you were to upgrade to something like 16GB, you'll need to get rid of factory ram. There are 2 M.2 slots of which one is occupied with a 512GB SK Hynix SSD. There's a 2.5" space but there are no brackets and connectors provided in the box. Adding 2.5" drive in G5 SE is wierd
Keyboard [7/10]: Mushy membrane keyboard as every other laptop, not so much travel with red backlight. Since the letters are engraved in red colour, you're forced to use with the backlight on because they aren't really visible at normal lighting conditions. The backlight is alright, does the job. The WASD keys are highlighted but nothing fancy like the ASUS TUF A15. The trackpad is good with embedded left and right clicks.
Speakers [6/10]: Ordinary budget gaming laptop speakers. Very little to no bass. Downward firing. Nothing to write home about. Does the job in a "meh" way. From what I've heard the TUF has better speakers. Use a headphone for gaming.
Built Quality [8/10]: It's all plastic but it's good plastic. The colour might be a let down for many of you but I'm really liking the stealthy, professional looking gaming monster which this truly is. Feels solid in hands. And looks better in person than the images. I was surprised that it looked this good because this thing looks different in person.
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Conclusion: I wouldn't recommend this if it was a week ago. But now as things have changed I'll wholeheartedly recommend this as this is the best value for money gaming laptop under 75k.
Edit: A lot of you have been asking for CS GO fps. It was above 180 fps consistent though I did saw some dips in framerates as low as 80s, rarely. Max temps were 92c CPU and 75ish GPU with the laptop a little bit raised. It stayed in the high 80s (CPU) consistently. There was no thermal throttling but the laptop was hot though.
Edit2: I forgot to mention about ram upgrade. This device comes with 2x 4GB 3200Mhz, CL22 ram. Yes upgradability is kinda crippled. If you are looking to upgrade the ram, you will have to make hard decisions like selling factory ram. And do note that 3200Mhz ram ain't cheap like 2666Mhz ram. In India it's twice the price. On the flip side it's faster than any other laptop with single stick 8GB 2666Mhz memory. So there's that...
Latest graphics drivers for G5 SE 60hz
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OXVA Arbiter RTA - Review

OXVA Arbiter RTA - Review
Hi Reddit readers, In this review i take a look at the Arbiter RTA from OXVA. The OXVA Arbiter RTA was supplied for the purpose of this review by Tina from 3avape.
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Introduction
The ex Head Designer at Geekvape who brought us the Zeus and Aegis has made quite an impact with his new company OXVA over it's first year manufacturing products. After a few excellent pod mods and AIO devices we see OXVA not limping but diving head first into the rebuildable scene with a beast of a dual RTA, the Arbiter!
The Arbiter with the bubble glass is 31mm in diameter and has a generous 6ml capacity. It features top to bottom leak resistant airflow, Bayonet fitting top-cap and an easy build deck! Coming in 5 different colour options let's check out OXVA's RTA debut!!!!!!!
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In The Box
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Contents:
1 x Arbiter RTA (bubble glass) (6ml) 1 x Straight glass tube (4ml) 2 x Fused clapton coil 2 x Shoelace cotton 1 x User manual 2 x Sets O-rings Spare hex grub screws 1 x Mystery Tool ????? 1 x Allen wrench 1 x 519 drip tip adaptor
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Aesthetics
The Arbiter came in a sturdy cardboard box with outer cardboard sleeve and on opening in the upper tier we have the rather large Arbiter RTA with installed bubble glass with spare straight glass to one side, all other accessories are below. I received the Black version the options are Stainless Steel, Rainbow, Gunmetal, Red Black or Black.
Up top we have a low profile Delrin 810 which sits on a platform that steps from the top-cap which has a design which helps with grip. Below we have a broad airflow control ring with large dual cyclops and also 2 "OXVA" logos carved into the metal. Mine has Red O-rings which stand out but the retail will have Black, looking through the pre-installed bubble glass we can see a logo on one side of the chamber and "ARBITER" printed on the other. The base section is quite narrow but has aggressive carvings to give good grip then looking at the base we have more printed branding and safety marks, the 510 is Gold plated and protrudes nicely, i would have no issue with this being used on a mechanical device!
The diameter is 26.5mm at the very base but that's quite misleading as it tapers sharply to 28mm and is 31mm with the bubble glass fitted. The overall build quality is very good with both smooth threading and nice machining!
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Arbiter Specs and Features:
Diameter: 31mm (26.5mm at very base, 28mm with straight glass) Height: 54mm Juice Capacity: 6ml Bubble Glass & 4ml Straight Glass Fill Port: Top Fill Airflow: Top to Bottom Drip Tip: 810 & 510 Drip Tip adaptor Coil: Dual Coil Top-to-bottom airflow 100% Leak-proof design Big capacity of 6ml 810/510 Replaceable drip tip Raised U-shaped build deck Colours: Stainless Steel, Rainbow, Gunmetal, Red Black, Black
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What You Receive?
As well as the RTA with installed Goon fitting 810 and pre-installed bubble glass you receive a straight glass and a special tool which is that special it's a secret to what it's actually for. I just can't work out what it does or how it is needed and see no mention of it either on their website or in the manual!
You also get a bag of goodies that include 2 sets of O-rings (I received an extra set of Red and a set of White), hex grub screws, a 510 drip tip adaptor and an Allen wrench. I have been informed with the retail version all O-rings will actually be Black both pre-installed and the spare sets.
Finally as well as the paperwork you receive 2 shoelace cotton pieces and 2 Fused Claptons with full specs. They are Ni80 28ga*3+40ga 3.0mmID 6 wraps, 0.4ohm per coil. For those that tend to toss included coils you definitely won't be tossing these, a very nice pair of Fused Claptons! Overall very happy with what is included so no complaints whatsoever!
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It's Various Parts!
The Arbiter disassembles into it's various parts very easily and reassembles just as easily with no issues!
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Up top we have a quite low profile goon fit 810 so you can use your own or even fit the included 510 adaptor if you prefer. The top cap has a bayonet fit so just a quarter of a turn to release and again a quarter turn to secure. The fill plate reveals 2 decent size ports and is concave so any spillage will still find its way through the ports. The fill plate is attached to the chamber section and airflow intakes which are dual large cyclops and we have an airflow control ring for full adjustment. The bubble glass is pre-installed and fits over the top O-ring quite loosely but i have been informed the Red O-rings have been replaced by more substantial Black O-rings so hopefully that isn't going to be a problem!
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Inside the chamber we have an attachment that secures by a top O-ring and fits across the raised deck section. Finally we have the base section with raised GTA style U shaped deck and on the very bottom a Gold plated protruding 510.
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The Airflow
The Arbiter has a top to bottom leak resistant airflow design which rather than the usual double chamber has a fitted attachment to create the voids to allow airflow to reach the deck!
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We have dual cyclops with an airflow control ring and the air goes through these slots which comes out into the top of the chamber. The attachment fits to the chimney section at the top of the chamber and slots across the deck doing 2 things. First it gives a wall either side creating a void for the air to travel down from the cyclops slots between the chamber wall and the walls created by the attachment either side which then goes between the lower sections of the posts either side and then upwards giving true bottom airflow! The second thing it does is this attachment as far as your build is concerned becomes the inner chamber which is now very condensed. This means having two large voids for the air to travel down rather than a thin cavity as you would get with the usual outer and inner chamber will give a lot of airflow while the now condensed chamber area should encourage flavour!
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The Deck and Build!
The Arbiter has a GTA style deck with four raised angled posts with a gap either side towards the bottom allowing the air to travel through this gap then up hitting the bottom of each coil.
Your leads of both coils just need sliding through the terminals which then can be tightened down via the side hex screws also on the angle. Then simply use a coiling rod or fit for purpose tool to position your coils more towards the posts rather than the centre so the airflow will hit the bottom of each coil directly. A good design feature of this deck is there is a recessed area where your excess leads need snipping for easy access and also mean this isn't a shorting candidate!
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Now on a low wattage pulse your coils to get them glowing from the inside out, strumming if needed to get rid of any hotspots!
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You wick the Arbiter just like any GTA style deck but because the posts are raised there is more distance than usual from each coil to the wicking channels so you will need to leave your cotton ends longer than usual. Then just give your ends a fluff up and tuck into the channels. Bare in mind the distance the juice needs to travel to get to the coil to judge based on if you tend to be at a higher wattage or are a chain vaper whether you need to thin your ends out but don't thin out too much else you might get flooding issues.
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Now just fit the attachment in place over your build and screw the base back onto the tank (it will all line up automatically and the O-ring at the top of the attachment will press into place), fill and enjoy!
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How It Vapes? And Thoughts!
It would be a bit silly to say for a debut what a great RTA because it's designed by Justin Lai so far from a debut for him! This is a big beast which does bring the obvious con that this is only going to look good on top of a device that allows 28mm or bigger atomizers which needs baring in mind. Also although Simon from OXVA has told me the O-rings will be both Black and more substantial on the retail version i can only review what i have and the glass is a bit of a loose fit although the straight glass fits tighter. The only other con i have is this isn't great for those that like high wattage or chain vape as the wicking dries out but luckily for me liking a warm but not hot vape i was at 60w with the 0.16ohm build which was fine even with some chain vaping. When with the same build i went to 80w then it struggled to keep up with any form of chain vaping, thinning the wicks would help but there is a fine line between wicking effectively or getting a risk of flooding!
I have seen on some specs for this it is for a dual or single build and indeed the chamber is condensed enough and a single build is perfectly possible but with the coil needing to be more towards the posts rather than central to get the full effect of the airflow and also you would need a very large ID coil to have enough cotton to fill the wicking channels then in my opinion a single build isn't a great option!
I really like not just the bayonet top-cap but also the concave fill plate that means any spillage still finds it's way through the ports. The top to bottom airflow gives a leak resistant solution and the design using the attachment allows far more air than most top to bottom airflow tanks which is great for those that like bags of air and big clouds while still allowing the airflow to be closed down for some restriction which is how i used it with the airflow just a third open. The build couldn't be much easier and i love the large capacity, it says 6ml in the specs but 7ml on the box so let's just call it a very generous 6ml. I like what is included and the coils are a pair of the best looking fused claptons i have received with an atomizer so a big pro for that. The supplied 810 was a little too low profile for me so i fitted one of my own and you also get a 510 adaptor for those that religiously only use 510's.
The Arbiter does have quite a bit of branding some subtle which is carved into the metal and some bold, it doesn't bother me but some will find this a subjective con. The airflow isn't over turbulent and when it came to flavour the condensed chamber really delivers, i wouldn't go as far as outstanding but it's very very good!!!!!
https://preview.redd.it/7hd0cbde10a61.jpg?width=490&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=fc07fa945669793369cfec0473c18b797d6ab37e

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Likes
Good threading and machining 5 Colour options Bayonet top-cap Concave fill plate Leak resistant top to bottom airflow Condensed chamber formed by chamber attachment Goon fit 810, fit your own Included 510 drip tip adaptor Included straight glass 6ml Capacity One of the easiest dual builds i have done Very good included pair of fused claptons (full specs given) Shoelace cotton included Bags of air Very good flavour
Cons
Bubble glass a bit loose on top O-ring (been told this as been addressed) If at high wattage or chain vaping struggles to wick A lot of branding (might be a subjective con to some) Supplied 810 quite low profile (a subjective con for me) Large so will only look good on top of devices that accommodate 28mm atomizers or bigger
I would once again like to thank Tina from 3avape for supplying the OXVA Arbiter RTA for the purpose of this review, thanks for reading and stay safe!
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OXVA Arbiter RTA - Review

OXVA Arbiter RTA - Review
Hi Reddit readers, In this review i take a look at the Arbiter RTA from OXVA. The OXVA Arbiter RTA was supplied for the purpose of this review by Tina from 3avape.
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Introduction
The ex Head Designer at Geekvape who brought us the Zeus and Aegis has made quite an impact with his new company OXVA over it's first year manufacturing products. After a few excellent pod mods and AIO devices we see OXVA not limping but diving head first into the rebuildable scene with a beast of a dual RTA, the Arbiter!
The Arbiter with the bubble glass is 31mm in diameter and has a generous 6ml capacity. It features top to bottom leak resistant airflow, Bayonet fitting top-cap and an easy build deck! Coming in 5 different colour options let's check out OXVA's RTA debut!!!!!!!
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In The Box
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Contents:
1 x Arbiter RTA (bubble glass) (6ml) 1 x Straight glass tube (4ml) 2 x Fused clapton coil 2 x Shoelace cotton 1 x User manual 2 x Sets O-rings Spare hex grub screws 1 x Mystery Tool ????? 1 x Allen wrench 1 x 519 drip tip adaptor
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Aesthetics
The Arbiter came in a sturdy cardboard box with outer cardboard sleeve and on opening in the upper tier we have the rather large Arbiter RTA with installed bubble glass with spare straight glass to one side, all other accessories are below. I received the Black version the options are Stainless Steel, Rainbow, Gunmetal, Red Black or Black.
Up top we have a low profile Delrin 810 which sits on a platform that steps from the top-cap which has a design which helps with grip. Below we have a broad airflow control ring with large dual cyclops and also 2 "OXVA" logos carved into the metal. Mine has Red O-rings which stand out but the retail will have Black, looking through the pre-installed bubble glass we can see a logo on one side of the chamber and "ARBITER" printed on the other. The base section is quite narrow but has aggressive carvings to give good grip then looking at the base we have more printed branding and safety marks, the 510 is Gold plated and protrudes nicely, i would have no issue with this being used on a mechanical device!
The diameter is 26.5mm at the very base but that's quite misleading as it tapers sharply to 28mm and is 31mm with the bubble glass fitted. The overall build quality is very good with both smooth threading and nice machining!
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Arbiter Specs and Features:
Diameter: 31mm (26.5mm at very base, 28mm with straight glass) Height: 54mm Juice Capacity: 6ml Bubble Glass & 4ml Straight Glass Fill Port: Top Fill Airflow: Top to Bottom Drip Tip: 810 & 510 Drip Tip adaptor Coil: Dual Coil Top-to-bottom airflow 100% Leak-proof design Big capacity of 6ml 810/510 Replaceable drip tip Raised U-shaped build deck Colours: Stainless Steel, Rainbow, Gunmetal, Red Black, Black
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What You Receive?
As well as the RTA with installed Goon fitting 810 and pre-installed bubble glass you receive a straight glass and a special tool which is that special it's a secret to what it's actually for. I just can't work out what it does or how it is needed and see no mention of it either on their website or in the manual!
You also get a bag of goodies that include 2 sets of O-rings (I received an extra set of Red and a set of White), hex grub screws, a 510 drip tip adaptor and an Allen wrench. I have been informed with the retail version all O-rings will actually be Black both pre-installed and the spare sets.
Finally as well as the paperwork you receive 2 shoelace cotton pieces and 2 Fused Claptons with full specs. They are Ni80 28ga*3+40ga 3.0mmID 6 wraps, 0.4ohm per coil. For those that tend to toss included coils you definitely won't be tossing these, a very nice pair of Fused Claptons! Overall very happy with what is included so no complaints whatsoever!
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It's Various Parts!
The Arbiter disassembles into it's various parts very easily and reassembles just as easily with no issues!
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Up top we have a quite low profile goon fit 810 so you can use your own or even fit the included 510 adaptor if you prefer. The top cap has a bayonet fit so just a quarter of a turn to release and again a quarter turn to secure. The fill plate reveals 2 decent size ports and is concave so any spillage will still find its way through the ports. The fill plate is attached to the chamber section and airflow intakes which are dual large cyclops and we have an airflow control ring for full adjustment. The bubble glass is pre-installed and fits over the top O-ring quite loosely but i have been informed the Red O-rings have been replaced by more substantial Black O-rings so hopefully that isn't going to be a problem!
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Inside the chamber we have an attachment that secures by a top O-ring and fits across the raised deck section. Finally we have the base section with raised GTA style U shaped deck and on the very bottom a Gold plated protruding 510.
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The Airflow
The Arbiter has a top to bottom leak resistant airflow design which rather than the usual double chamber has a fitted attachment to create the voids to allow airflow to reach the deck!
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We have dual cyclops with an airflow control ring and the air goes through these slots which comes out into the top of the chamber. The attachment fits to the chimney section at the top of the chamber and slots across the deck doing 2 things. First it gives a wall either side creating a void for the air to travel down from the cyclops slots between the chamber wall and the walls created by the attachment either side which then goes between the lower sections of the posts either side and then upwards giving true bottom airflow! The second thing it does is this attachment as far as your build is concerned becomes the inner chamber which is now very condensed. This means having two large voids for the air to travel down rather than a thin cavity as you would get with the usual outer and inner chamber will give a lot of airflow while the now condensed chamber area should encourage flavour!
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The Deck and Build!
The Arbiter has a GTA style deck with four raised angled posts with a gap either side towards the bottom allowing the air to travel through this gap then up hitting the bottom of each coil.
Your leads of both coils just need sliding through the terminals which then can be tightened down via the side hex screws also on the angle. Then simply use a coiling rod or fit for purpose tool to position your coils more towards the posts rather than the centre so the airflow will hit the bottom of each coil directly. A good design feature of this deck is there is a recessed area where your excess leads need snipping for easy access and also mean this isn't a shorting candidate!
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Now on a low wattage pulse your coils to get them glowing from the inside out, strumming if needed to get rid of any hotspots!
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You wick the Arbiter just like any GTA style deck but because the posts are raised there is more distance than usual from each coil to the wicking channels so you will need to leave your cotton ends longer than usual. Then just give your ends a fluff up and tuck into the channels. Bare in mind the distance the juice needs to travel to get to the coil to judge based on if you tend to be at a higher wattage or are a chain vaper whether you need to thin your ends out but don't thin out too much else you might get flooding issues.
https://preview.redd.it/wfq4m0hg30a61.jpg?width=980&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9b16bc5d8c2a3a2dd007019410589270958687e8
Now just fit the attachment in place over your build and screw the base back onto the tank (it will all line up automatically and the O-ring at the top of the attachment will press into place), fill and enjoy!
https://preview.redd.it/4hz4fbai30a61.jpg?width=490&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=78cd7c5f0e1b20911a1334506a149c5dd9ffcb97

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How It Vapes? And Thoughts!
It would be a bit silly to say for a debut what a great RTA because it's designed by Justin Lai so far from a debut for him! This is a big beast which does bring the obvious con that this is only going to look good on top of a device that allows 28mm or bigger atomizers which needs baring in mind. Also although Simon from OXVA has told me the O-rings will be both Black and more substantial on the retail version i can only review what i have and the glass is a bit of a loose fit although the straight glass fits tighter. The only other con i have is this isn't great for those that like high wattage or chain vape as the wicking dries out but luckily for me liking a warm but not hot vape i was at 60w with the 0.16ohm build which was fine even with some chain vaping. When with the same build i went to 80w then it struggled to keep up with any form of chain vaping, thinning the wicks would help but there is a fine line between wicking effectively or getting a risk of flooding!
I have seen on some specs for this it is for a dual or single build and indeed the chamber is condensed enough and a single build is perfectly possible but with the coil needing to be more towards the posts rather than central to get the full effect of the airflow and also you would need a very large ID coil to have enough cotton to fill the wicking channels then in my opinion a single build isn't a great option!
I really like not just the bayonet top-cap but also the concave fill plate that means any spillage still finds it's way through the ports. The top to bottom airflow gives a leak resistant solution and the design using the attachment allows far more air than most top to bottom airflow tanks which is great for those that like bags of air and big clouds while still allowing the airflow to be closed down for some restriction which is how i used it with the airflow just a third open. The build couldn't be much easier and i love the large capacity, it says 6ml in the specs but 7ml on the box so let's just call it a very generous 6ml. I like what is included and the coils are a pair of the best looking fused claptons i have received with an atomizer so a big pro for that. The supplied 810 was a little too low profile for me so i fitted one of my own and you also get a 510 adaptor for those that religiously only use 510's.
The Arbiter does have quite a bit of branding some subtle which is carved into the metal and some bold, it doesn't bother me but some will find this a subjective con. The airflow isn't over turbulent and when it came to flavour the condensed chamber really delivers, i wouldn't go as far as outstanding but it's very very good!!!!!
https://preview.redd.it/uon8el8m30a61.jpg?width=490&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e9a1710b7ace5a8e57f7416efb7b8ea882f24a0e

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Likes
Good threading and machining 5 Colour options Bayonet top-cap Concave fill plate Leak resistant top to bottom airflow Condensed chamber formed by chamber attachment Goon fit 810, fit your own Included 510 drip tip adaptor Included straight glass 6ml Capacity One of the easiest dual builds i have done Very good included pair of fused claptons (full specs given) Shoelace cotton included Bags of air Very good flavour
Cons
Bubble glass a bit loose on top O-ring (been told this as been addressed) If at high wattage or chain vaping struggles to wick A lot of branding (might be a subjective con to some) Supplied 810 quite low profile (a subjective con for me) Large so will only look good on top of devices that accommodate 28mm atomizers or bigger
I would once again like to thank Tina from 3avape for supplying the OXVA Arbiter RTA for the purpose of this review, thanks for reading and stay safe!
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The Diamond Casino & Resort FAQ Megathread

Last updated 2:00 EST, 27 July
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All new posts asking about information already provided here will be removed and redirected here to reduce redundancy.

Release

As of 5:15 EST, the update has released on PS4, Xbox One, and PC.
  • 3.4GB on PS4
  • 3.2GB on Xbox One
  • 2.9GB on Steam
  • 2.6GB on Social Club.
On the note of releases... Some countries will not be able to access certain content from this update due to gambling laws. Thankfully though, players from these countries will still be allowed to download the update in general.

Money for Diamond Casino

For ways to make money to afford the new DLC content, along with methods to make an empty lobby to do CEO/MC work, check the Mega Guide.
Tips
  • You only need $50,000 to register as a VIP! If you have at least that much, you can register as a VIP for 4 hours and get access to VIP missions (which can be done in an invite only session), giving you a lucrative way to save up.
  • If you own both a crate warehouse and vehicle warehouse, you could use them together to make more money overtime than you could by using either exclusively. Use your sourcing/exports between crate pickups and sales, and you'll be getting the best of both worlds, gaining from the postive money-making aspects of both.

Content and Prices

Content that has initially released with the update.
Southern San Andreas Super Autos
  • Weeny Issi Sport - $897,000
  • Vapid Caracara 4x4 - $875,000
Legendary Motorsport
  • Annis S80RR: $2.6million
  • Enus Paragon R: $905,000
  • Obey 8F Drafter: $718,000
  • Truffade Thrax: $2.3million
Penthouses
  • Cash Pad: $1.5million
  • Party Penthouse: $3.78million
  • High Roller: $6.5million
  • "Design Your Own": $1.5million
Penthouse Customizations
  • Colour options: $215,000 or $258,500
  • Pattern options: $92,000 - $210,000
Penthouse Addons
  • Lounge Area: $400,000
  • Media Room: $500,000
  • Spa: $800,000
  • Bar and Party Hub: $700,000
  • Private Dealer: $1.1million
  • Office: $200,000
  • Extra Bedroom: $200,000
  • Garage: $800,000

Gambling

As this is a Casino-centric update, there's plenty of ways to gamble away your hard-grinded money.
The gambling in this game centers around a new form of currency, called Chips. These chips are pretty much like real-world gambling chips, with a one-to-one dollar value, except you keep your chips when you leave the casino. Chips are an actual currency in GTA Online, as they can be used to purchase exclusive items from a shop inside the casino, along with being used to bet with when playing the Gambling Games, listed below
  • Slot Machines: There's plenty of options to choose from, but they all perform the same way. Spend some chips, and let the RNG decide whether or not you earn anything from it.
  • Blackjack: Casino style blackjack with up to four simultaneous players, all of which play against the dealer. Anyone who beats the dealer individually wins, anyone who the dealer beats individually loses, and if the dealer gets Blackjack (an Ace and 10/face-card), everyone immediately loses. Assuming your initial hand isn't a Blackjack, you have the option of doubling-down, which doubles your initial bet with the caveat of only being able to hit once.
  • Poker: Three-card poker. You make your bets, check your hand, and similar to Blackjack, each player wins if their hand is better than the dealer's, and the dealer beats whoever has a worse hand than him. While there is no option to double-down, how much you win does depend on how good of a hand you have. The better your hand, the more you win. Also, while you can fold your hand, you lose your initial bet anyway.
  • Horse Racing: Pretty much standard horse racing bettering. You choose a horse, you put your money down, and if you bet correctly, you get double the amount you bet in return. Otherwise, you just lose the amount you bet.
To gain more chips, there is a counter inside the casino where you can buy them, however you are limited in how many you can buy per day (real-world 24 hours). As standard, you can buy a maximum of 20,000 chips per day, but if you own a penthouse of any tier, you can buy up to 50,000 chips per day. Chips can also be traded in for money, but there does not appear to be a limit on this. No matter how many chips you win from gambling, it appears that you can trade them all in at once for the equivalent dollar value.
Lastly, there is the Wheel. It's a roulette wheel that you can only spin once per day, which costs $500 per spin. There are twenty reward slots, and since some rewards are in multiple slots, they have greater chances of being selected. The biggest note about this wheel however is that there is one slot in which you can win a free car! What makes this so significant is that since the car takes a 1/20 slot on the wheel, that means you still have a 5% chance of winning a free high-value vehicle! Compared to most online games, that's pretty much the most generous RNG you can get.

Business and Missions

coming soon

FAQ

Are there any differences between the penthouses
For once, yes! Well, technically... they're the same basic property layout, but each option gives you different addon options.
  • The Cash Pad: The basic Penthouse with no property addons available . You cannot purchase a garage, extra bedroom, lounge, etc. with the Cash Pad. You can, however, purchase penthouse customizations (colour and wall patterns).
  • The Party Penthouse: Gives you certain of the addon options: the main Penthouse, the Extra Bedroom, the Lounge Area, the Spa, and the Bar and Party Hub. You are locked to these options, no more, no less.
  • The High Roller: Gives you all of the property addons as standard, and the most expensive penthouse customization options... this means that you cannot choose your own colour and wall patterns with this version.
  • The "Design Your Own": ...What should be the standard option. It gives you the basic penthouse and allows you to choose which addons and customizations you want, with an extra cost for each one, of course. Just get this one. You can also renovate this option later, allowing you to purchase more addons and change your customizations later.
What do the Penthouse Addons do?
  • Lounge Area: Allows you to purchase the other Penthouse Addons (except for the Extra Bedroom and Garage, which are the only items addons that can be purchased without a Lounge).
  • Media Room: You know the cinemas around Los Santos? The ones that play a few 5 minute animated films on repeat? That, but in a Penthouse.
  • Spa: Gives you access to a hot tub and a Personal Stylist. The Stylist's services are the same as the ones spread around Los Santos (hair, contacts, and make up), but they're all free.
  • Bar and Party Hub: Allows you to consume drinks that instantly intoxicate your character, along with access to special arcade games that aren't available anywhere else in the game.
  • Private Dealer: Allows you to play gambling games in your penthouse.
  • Office: Adds a standard computer, a Gun Locker, and a money vault (don't get excited, it's just aesthetic).
  • Extra Bedroom: Bedrooms in owned properties in GTA Online are used as spawn points, so why can you pay to have an extra one? Because you can now allow a friend of yours to claim it! The Extra Bedroom allows a friend of yours to use your penthouse as a spawn apparently, though the exact implementation of this is not completely clear.
  • Garage: Access to the Penthouse's garage bay.
How do I get the armored car?
  • To recieve the Enus Paragon R (Armoured), you have to complete the Diamond Casino's mission series, which you must own a penthouse to access. Once of the missions are complete, you'll be given the vehicle for free! But remember, it's uninsured and you only get it once, so immediately go into passive mode and take it to the nearest Los Santos Customs to insure it, or else you could lose the vehicle permanently.

Passive Mode

Good news, passive mode has been fixed!
  • Passive Mode can now no longer be active when using a weaponized vehicle
  • A Passive Mode cooldown of 2 minutes is now in place for players who have just killed another player
  • Players now must wait 5 minutes before they can activate Passive Mode again after disabling it
  • Players now must wait 30 seconds before they can disable Passive Mode after activating it
These changes make is so that grievers can no longer abuse passive mode, or at least no where near as easily. If you start to get the upper-hand on a griefer and destroy whatever death-machine they're using to troll you, or if you confront them in a death-machine of your own, they can't abuse Passive Mode to try to get the upper-hand on you!

Solo Session

Check the Mega Guide for ways to push yourself into a public Online session with no one else in it. Keep in mind that some missions and abilities are unavailable if there's no one else with you though!

Bugs and Glitches

  • Apparently on PS4 and Xbox One, you must have full size of GTA V available to download the update, so if you have less than ~60GB free, you may have trouble downloading the update. This does not mean that the entire game is re-downloaded, it just means that the update may not download if you don't have that much space available.

Credits

Special Thanks: u/Rebored_Warrior - Sent me the official patch notes link!
  • u/LordMcze - Information on countries that restrict players from gambling functions.
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Ultimate Gambling Guide for GTA Online - odds, probabilities, and optimal strategies

Since the Diamond Casino update, I have seen a large number of 12-year-olds posting Blackjack memes on this sub. As a parent, this has me very worried.
On top of that, I have seen some of the most trustworthy GTA Youtubers giving flawed gambling advice, which can have damaging impact on their gullible audiences.
So that's why I decided to write this up, to educate everyone on the subject, so there will be no more misunderstandings.
(2020 Update down at the bottom.)
If you're one of those Youtubers that wants to use this information in a video, feel free to do so. The more people (especially kids) that become educated about gambling, the better.
But then also please go back and review your own work, and delete or edit the videos that are giving out the wrong advice, like where you're saying you have "a good strategy for making money with roulette", or some other nonsense that I've heard this week. Delete that please.
Before I get into the individual games, I need to discuss a few concepts first, that will make understanding the rest a lot easier.

Expected return and variance
A game like Roulette or Slots has a fixed expected return on your bets. This is a percentage that you have no way of influencing. Say you are flipping a coin against a friend, and you both put up $1. The winner gets the pot. Since the odds are even at 50%, in the long run, you will expect to break even. Your expected return is 100% of your bet.
But imagine if you would play this coin flipping game in a casino against the house. On the "house rules" listed at the table they would probably say that you would only get 95 cents back for every win, while you are forfeiting a dollar on every loss. Would you still play?
Sounds stupid to do so, but still, everybody does it. Every bet they place on Roulette, every coin they put into a Slot machine, is based on the same concept.
Those few cents they take on every bet are their profit margin, and has paid for all the Vegas lights, the Mirage volcanoes, and the Bellagio fountains. Make no mistake - casino gambling games are not designed to make you lose, because sure, you can get lucky on a single night, but they are designed to make them win. That's the beauty of it. They can both exist at the same time.
Too many people that don't see how this works, are just destined for disaster. Just because you went on a lucky streak and won 8 games out of 10, does not mean that flipping coins is a profitable game, or that choosing tails is a winning strategy. Always be aware of the house edge, your true chances of winning, and just realize that you got lucky. There is no such thing as a strategy in flipping a coin that will give you a higher expected return, so it's just pure gambling, just like Slots and Roulette.
Most casino games are made in such a way, that your expected return is a little under 100%. This means that from every dollar bet at the tables, the casino expects to keep a few cents. For individual players, results may vary. Some will win, most will lose. But for the house, it doesn't matter. They take millions of bets each day, so for them, the expected average works out a lot sooner. In short: the house always wins.
When looking at the house edge, we're talking about the expected long-term result, based on the game's house rules. But for a player, it can take literally tens of thousands of hands or spins before you also reach this average number. Until that time, you can experience huge upswings and downswings, that are the result of nothing but short-term luck, which is called variance.
Some games and some bets have a much higher variance than others, which means your actual results will differ enormously from what you're expected to be at.
Take for example betting on red/black at the Roulette table. This is a low-variance proposition, because it has a high percentage chance of occurring, and a low payout.
Contrast this with betting single numbers in Roulette, which only win once every 38 spins on average. This bet has a much higher variance, meaning you can easily hit a dry spell, and not hit anything for 200 bets in a row, or you can see a single number hit three times in five consecutive spins. This is not a freak occurrence in high-variance bets.
Even though the expected return in both these bets is exactly the same, there's a huge difference in variance, causing massive differences in short-term results, which can go both ways. You need to be aware of this, before you decide what types of bets you are comfortable with placing.

Gamblers' Fallacy
Another thing to realize, is that each individual game, hand, or spin, is completely independent from the one(s) before it, and after it.
Gamblers tend to believe, that the chance of a certain outcome is increased, based on previous results.
The most famous example comes from the Casino de Monte Carlo, where the Roulette wheel managed to land on black 26 times in a row. Gamblers lost many millions during that streak, all frantically betting on red, believing that the odds were in favor of the wheel coming out on red, after producing so many blacks. This is not true. Each round is completely independent, and the odds are exactly the same.
You will hear people say things like a Blackjack table being "hot" or "cold", which is completely superstitious, and should be ignored. The exception was when Blackjack was being dealt from a shoe. It made card counting possible. But with the introduction of shuffle machines, and continuous shuffling like is being used in GTA, this no longer exists.
This is also why "chasing your losses" is a very bad idea. After being on a losing streak for some time, many gamblers believe that now it's their turn to start winning. So they will often increase their bet size, believing that when their predicted winning streak comes around, they will win back their losses, and more.
The reality of it, more often than not, is that people will indeed start playing higher and higher limits, until they are completely broke. Nobody is ever "due for a win". There is never a guarantee that you're about to start winning. In fact, the opposite is more likely to be true. You are, after all, in a casino.

Betting systems
Some people like to think that they have a fool-proof betting system, like the Martingale system. Simply increase or even double your bet when you lose, and keep doing that until you win. In theory, this system will always win. So that's why table limits were introduced, and where the system fails.
If you start at the Roulette table, playing red/black, with a small 750 chip wager, and just double your bet every time you lose, you only have to lose 6 times in a row, before you will be betting the table limit of 48,000, just to get that 750 chip profit.
Sure, you can go on all evening without this happening, winning 750 chips each time, but this losing streak only has to happen once, and you're bust. Any betting system like this is ill-advised, because you are hugely increasing your so-called "risk of ruin", and that's what we were trying to avoid.
And even if your starting bet is only 100 chips, after only nine straight losses, and nine doubled bets, you are betting the table limit at 50,000 chips. If you lose that bet, you're 100,000 chips in the hole, with no way to recover that with your 100 chip base wager.
So don't believe anyone that says this is the perfect system to always win in the casino. Sooner or later they will understand why they were wrong, when they're asking you for a loan.

Set your limits BEFORE you start playing
One final point before we get into the games, a general tip for people that head out to play: money management.
Just like in real life, before you go to the casino, decide on a maximum amount that you are WILLING TO LOSE.
Bet small enough, so that amount can last you through the entire evening, and you will not be tempted to run to the ATM to continue playing.
Considering GTA money, some people will be comfortable losing 1% of their GTA bank balance, some people will be comfortable with gambling away 5% of their total GTA savings. It's up to you what you can handle. Decide for yourself where it will start to hurt, and don't cross that line.
But whatever number you decide on, as soon as you lost that amount, get up and walk away. Don't chase your losses, stick to your limits, and accept that this has not been your day. There is always another game tomorrow. Always agree with yourself on a simple stop-loss rule, how much you would want to lose at most, and simply stop playing when you get there.
Same goes for winning. You can decide on a number, how much profit you would like to take away from the casino. You can go on a hot streak and be up half a million in a short period of time, but if you would continue to play longer, looking for more, chances are that you're going to lose it all back.
Most people are happy with doubling their daily casino budget, for example. Others are looking for 10 bets profit in Blackjack. Whatever you choose, when you hit that number, you can stop playing and bank your profits, or you can continue playing if you're still enjoying the games, but then only just play minimum bet sizes. Then you're just playing for fun, not for money. You've already made your profit, so simply keep it in your pocket, and don't risk losing it again.
Either way, decide on what your money management strategy will be, and STICK TO IT.

Casino games in GTA Online
Now, I'm going to dive into the games that you can find at the Diamond casino, ordered from worst to best.

6) Slots
Generally the rule is this: the less strategy a game has, the worse it is for the player. And with slots, this is definitely the case.
The only influence you have, is choosing what type of machine you're going to play. Basically, there are two types of slot machines:
-high frequency, low payout slots
-low frequency, high payout slots
In the first type, there is no huge (progressive) jackpot on offer, just your average selection of prizes that don't go up to crazy amounts.
This will result in a player having many more spins resulting in a win. The amounts that you win on the bigger prizes, will be smaller, but they do come around more often. This type of slot machine has a lower variance, which means that your money should last you longer, winning many smaller prizes along the way to keep you going.
The second type of slot machine lures you in with the temptation of a huge jackpot prize. Even though the long-term expected return on these machines is the same as the previous type, the prize distribution is hugely different. The large jackpot prize weighs heavily on the scale of expected return, but the chance of it hitting is extremely small. This results in a much higher variance on this type of machine. Usually your money will go down very fast, because the smaller prizes are less rewarding than on the other type of machine.
At the Diamond, the info screen says the player return at slots is set at 98.7%. This means that, on average, for every maximum bet of 2,500 chips, you expect to lose 32.5 chips.
This might not seem like a lot, but the danger of slots is that the game is extremely fast. You can spin about once every 6 seconds, which would result in an expected LOSS of about 20,000 chips per hour of playing.
But again, in this long-term expected number, the large jackpot awards are also factored in, and as long as you don't hit those big prizes, you'll see your money go down a lot faster.
In any case, thank heavens the max bet is only set at 2,500, or else we would see more players go bankrupt at alarming rates.
Optimal strategy for slots:
There is none. Because after betting, you have no more influence over the outcome. The only choices you have, is what type of machine you want to play at, and how much money you are going to risk. And those are all personal preference. As long as you stick to your loss limits, as discussed above, there's no harm in having a go every once in a while, hoping to get a lucky hit. Just realize that you don't have a high chance of scoring a big win, so as soon as you do, get up and walk away.

5) Roulette
Roulette is also a game where you have no influence over the outcome. There is zero skill involved. You place your bet, and that's it.
In traditional French roulette, a table has only the single-zero, but of course, for American casinos that wasn't enough of a house edge, so they simply doubled their profits by adding a second zero. The house edge was increased from 1/37 to 1/19, which is huge.
This makes playing on a double-zero roulette table by definition a sucker's play.
The payouts scale evenly, which means that a bet on a single number, and a bet on half of the numbers, and everything in between, yields the same expected return. The only difference, again, being the variance that you are willing to subject yourself to.
The player return for double-zero Roulette for all bets is 94.74%.
Except for the 5-number bet, which can only be made by placing a bet on the two top rows that contain 0, 00, 1, 2 and 3. The expected return on this bet is lower: 92.1%. This is because it only pays out 6-1. Why? Well, the number 36 isn't divisible by 5, so the greedy people that came up with double-zero Roulette had to round it off someway, and as expected, it wasn't going to be in the players' favor.Just remember that that 5-number bet is the worst bet at the table, and should be avoided. All other possible bets have the same expected return.
So it really doesn't matter how you spread your bets, if you bet only one chip, or if you litter the entire table with a bucketload of chips. Each chip you put out there, has the same expected return, so there is no strategy that will improve your long-term results.
Assuming that you're betting the maximum table amount of 50,000 chips, you will be looking at an expected loss of about 2,630 chips per spin. Considering that a round takes about 45 seconds to complete, your expected LOSS at the GTA Roulette tables will be around 200,000 chips per hour of playing.
Optimal strategy for double-zero roulette:
Stay away. Stay far away.

4) Three Card Poker
With Three Card Poker, we come across the first game where there is actually some strategy involved. You get to look at your cards, and then decide if you want to fold, and surrender your ante, or double your bet.
Additionally, you can choose to place a side bet on "Pair Plus", which offers progressive payouts.
There are some websites out there that ran all the numbers with computer simulations, and even though I would like to quote the source here, these websites are understandably littered to the max with online casino ads, so that's why I have decided against doing that.
Optimal strategy for Three Card Poker:
For this game you only have to remember one strategy rule: Always bet on any high card queen-six-four or better, and fold any high card queen-six-three or lower. That's it. Just don't forget to double check if you're not folding a straight or a flush, and you'll be fine.
This strategy will result in an expected return of 96.63%.
The Pair Plus sidebet, with the payout table that is used at the Diamond casino, gives you an expected return of 97.68%, which is actually a bit better than the main ante bet.
So by playing both wagers, you're reducing your expected losses per bet, but since you're betting more, you're also increasing your expected loss per hour.
My advice would obviously be to not play this game at all, but if you do, put as much of your bet as possible on the Pair Plus, while making our Ante bet as small as you can.
To be able to compare it to the other games at the Diamond, let's stay on that 50,000 maximum wager, meaning making your ante bet 35,000, and your pair plus bet 15,000, if the table would allow it.
This results in an expected loss of about 1,525 chips per hand, and with a round taking about 45 seconds, this adds up to an expected LOSS of around 120,000 chips per hour of playing. In comparison, if you would only play the ante bet for 50,000 per hand, you expect to lose 1,685 chips per hand, which means an expected LOSS of about 135,000 chips per hour. So the more out of that 50,000 wager you can put on the "Pair Plus" sidebet, the better.
Even though it may be fun to try out this game for a bit, since there's only one simple strategy rule to follow, you'll soon find yourself robotically grinding down your bankroll until it has vaporized. You're not missing out on anything if you skip these tables, there is no real challenge.
Just like with Roulette and Slots, if you want to try it out nonetheless, you can just bet the minimum amounts and only play for fun, so it won't matter if you win or lose.

3) Blackjack
Blackjack is the most complicated game by far. Simply because the player has to make a series of decisions, which will largely decide the outcome. Luckily, there is such a thing as an optimal strategy, which will be outlined below.
However, the strategy is also dependent on the house rules. These not only affect your expected return, but in some places also your decisions.
Here are the house rules at the Diamond casino:
-The game uses 4 standard decks, and a continuous shuffle.
-Blackjack pays 3 to 2, dealer checks for early blackjack.
-No insurance offered, no surrender.
-Dealer stands on soft 17.
-Double down on any two cards.
-Player can split only once, but doubling after split is allowed.
-Seven-Card Charlie.
Under these rules, and following the "basic strategy" chart, your expected return at Blackjack is a shade under 99.6%, which is extremely good for a casino game, that's why Blackjack should be your table game of choice.
But it comes at a price: you are going to have to memorize the relatively complicated strategy chart, or at least stick it to your monitor until you have it in your head. But in case you ever stumble into a real-life casino, you won't regret having this table memorized, so I would definitely advise you to work on that.
The strategy chart might look complicated at first, but you will be able to notice certain patterns. Your decisions are mainly based on the dealer's upcard, which is basically divided into a weak card (2 to 6), and a strong card (7 to ace).
When a dealer shows a strong card, you will be hitting more often with the risk of going bust, but when a dealer shows a weak card, you're not taking that risk, and you will be standing more, but also doubling and splitting more. You want to increase your bets when the odds are in your favor, and get out cheap when they're not.
But it also helps to take some time to think about why a certain advice is given. For example, why does it say that you always have to split two eights, even against an ace. Well, that's because two eights equals 16, which is the worst total you can have. It's better to split them up, and give yourself a chance of finding a 17, 18 or 19 with the next card. Once you see the logic in that, you'll have one less thing to memorize.
The playing advice in the basic strategy chart is a result of computer simulations that ran all possible outcomes against each other, and produced the most profitable decision for each situation. So you can't go wrong following it.
Optimal strategy for Blackjack with Seven-Card Charlie
The added house rule of Seven-Card Charlie, adds a small advantage for the player, and it does influence a few strategy decisions. For example, you might have a 14 with 6 cards, against the dealer's 5 upcard.
Normally this would be an automatic stand, but if you're only one card away from the Seven-Card Charlie, meaning an instant win for the player, regardless of the dealer's hand, it turns it into a hit.
Here's the most optimal strategy chart to follow for the Diamond Casino house rules: https://prnt.sc/olct6g
You'll see that two fives are missing from the chart, and that's because you never split them. You treat them as a regular 10. You also never split tens. Just stand on 20.
If you follow this strategy religiously, even with a maximum wager of 50,000 chips, you only expect to lose about 215 chips per hand, and with rounds taking about 30 seconds, that amounts to an expected LOSS of 26,000 chips per hour, which is only half a bet. A small price to pay for an hour of entertainment.
But since the expected return is so extremely close to 100%, you will see more positive short-term results than with other games. But obviously it can also swing the other way. Again, this is supposed to be the game where your money lasts you the longest, but always set your loss and win limits before you sit down. That rule simply always applies.

Still, even with optimal strategies applied, all these games are expected to lose you money in the long run. So betting any kind of large amounts is not advised. If you simply want to enjoy playing these games, there's nothing wrong with betting a minimal amount. Playing these games for a longer period of time will already cost you money anyway, since your daily property fees will still be charged while you're playing in the GTA casino. As long as you can play for fun, there's nothing wrong, but when you see yourself betting insane chunks of your entire bank balance to try to recoup some unfortunate losses, you're doing it wrong.
As the commercials in Britain all correctly say: when the fun stops, stop.

2) Virtual Horse Racing
Now onto the good stuff. I ran some numbers, and I believe Rockstar has made a mistake with the horse racing game. Because as it stands, and if I read the numbers correctly, this game is actually profitable for the player. You can actually make money with this, at least, until Rockstar figures out their mistake and patches it.
If anyone wants to jump into the math and double check this to make sure, please do so. I will add any corrections to this post. This is one of those "to good to be true" things, so I keep thinking that I might have overlooked something. So please verify it if you can.
The setup is this. There is a pool of 100 horses, each with their own attached payout. These are divided into 3 groups, ranked by their odds. From each group, 2 horses are randomly selected to provide a pool of six runners for you to bet on.
Now it's not an actual race you're looking at. You are looking at a raffle. This is important to realize.
Each horse gets awarded a certain number of raffle tickets. The favorites get awarded more tickets than the underdogs, and therefore, have a higher chance of winning.
If this distribution works like it does in the real-life casinos, then the raffle tickets are awarded according to the betting odds.
Example 1: imagine a race with 3 runners, all have 2/1 odds, representing a 33.3% chance of winning. (Because 2/1 means 2 AGAINST 1, so 3 total.) In this case, each horse gets one third of the raffle tickets, giving them an equal chance to win.
Example 2: imagine a race with 3 runners, one has 1/1 odds (or EVENS), representing a 50% chance of winning, and the other two horses are marked up as 3/1, with a 25% chance of winning. The favorite gets half the tickets, the other two get a quarter of the tickets each.
A ticket is drawn, and you'll have a winner.
It doesn't matter in this game which horse you bet on, because the expected return is always the same: 100% or break-even, for the above examples.
Now, what happens if the percentages don't exactly add up to 100%?
They must add up to 100%, because there will always be a winner. And only one winner.
So when this is the case, the actual winning chances of the horses are adjusted to meet the 100% requirement, using their payout odds to determine the scale.
So, if the represented percentages add up to more than 100%, the actual winning chances of the runners will be DECREASED, resulting in all bets becoming losing propositions for the players.
Example: In a 6-horse race, all runners are listed at 4/1, representing a 20% chance. Only with six runners that amounts to 120%. So all chances are scaled down by 1/6th, to end up at 100%.
This means your horse's chances are reduced from 20% to 16.67%, turning it into a losing bet: 5 times you will lose your bet, and 1 time you will win, but only get 4 bets back in this instance, instead of 5. A losing bet in the long run.
This is the type of odds that you find in regular casinos, with fields as large as 15 runners to bet on, where the assumed winning chances always add up to more than 100%, therefore are decreased for all runners, resulting in a house edge.

But in GTA Online's Inside Track, there are other scenarios, because of the small field, and the way that they are put together.
In some cases, the represented percentages when added up, are LESS than 100%, meaning that the actual winning chances of all runners, are INCREASED.
This creates profitable bets for the players, because in the long run, you're expecting to win more money than you lose. This is a gambler's dream, pure and simple.
So, according to the in-game information, the three groups of horses are divided as follows:
-Favorites: EVENS to 5-1
-Outsiders: 6-1 to 15-1
-Underdogs: 16-1 to 30-1

Let's take the two most extreme examples to show what's happening.
The worst possible field to bet on: two runners at EVENS, two runners at 6-1, and two runners at 16-1.
EVENS represents a 50% chance, 6-1 is 14.29%, and 16-1 is 5.88%. Add those up and you land on a total of 140.34%.
This means that the actual winning chances of the horses are decreased by 28.75% (to get that 140% down to 100%), which makes betting on this field extremely unwise.
A horse at EVENS will only come in as a winner 35.63% of the time, instead of 50%,
a horse at 6-1 will only win 10.18% of the time,
and an underdog at 16-1 will only win 4.19% of the time.

The expected return on a bet on any of the horses in this field is only 71.26%, so a maximum bet of 10,000 chips on any of these horses holds an expected LOSS of 2,875 chips.
These returns are the same, because the winning chances are scaled equally, according to the payout numbers. So it really doesn't matter which horse you bet on, in the long run, you expect the same results.
But as explained before, it does influence variance, and therefore your short-term result, which can swing both ways.

But now, the best possible field to bet on: two runners at 5-1, two runners at 15-1, and two runners at 30-1.
Odds at 5-1 represents a winning chance of 16.67%, 15-1 odds means 6.25% chance, and 30-1 odds means a 3.23% chance of winning. Add these six horses together, and you only get 52.285%.
This means that, to get from 52% to 100%, the actual winning chances of these horses will be almost doubled! Multiplied by 1.91 to be exact.
So the 5-1 favorites will now win 31.88% of the time, instead of 16.67%,
the 15-1 runners will win 11.95% of the time,
and the underdogs at 30-1 odds will still win 6.17% of the time.
When betting on this field, the expected return on your bet is 191.25%!
This means that a max bet of 10,000 chips will result in an expected PROFIT of 9,125 chips.
This is printing money, if there ever was such a thing.
Optimal strategy for Virtual Horse racing
So all you have to do, is only bet high on the games where you have an expected positive return, and bet the absolute minimum on the games where your expected return is negative. Or back out of the racing game to refresh the field.
If you don't have a way to quickly add up all the percentages, and until somebody shows up here with a neatly formatted table, just use a few general rules of thumb:
-Always bet the maximum on a race with favorites at 2/1 and 3/1 or higher in it.
-Simply skip all races with two favorites at EVENS in it, and at EVENS and 2/1. Or bet the minimum, if you can't skip or refresh the field.
-To decide if you should play races with other favorite combinations EVENS and 3/1, EVENS and 4/1, EVENS and 5/1, or two favorites at 2/1, the payouts on the other four runners determine whether or not it's profitable to play them. The results of betting on these fields vary from an expected 1,330 chip loss (worst-case) to an expected 1,680 chip win (best-case), with a max bet of 10,000 chips.
But if you're not looking for another strategy chart, you might just want to skip these borderline cases, and just cherry pick the best ones, which are easy to recognize, and with which you can never go wrong.
It's difficult to put a number on an expected win-rate, because it all depends on which fields you get presented with, but it's not unreasonable to state that you can maintain a steady win-rate of around 200,000 chips per hour, with about 50 seconds per race.
Remember, you're not trying to win every race. You're trying to win the most money per hour. So don't sweat it when you bet on a 4/1 favorite, and lose a couple of races in a row. It will still be more profitable in the long run. You have the math on your side.
To reduce negative variance, always bet on the favorite, when betting on profitable fields. We're not gambling anymore, we're grinding out a steady profit. We want to keep the swings to a minimum.
I contacted Rockstar support to verify if this is indeed how it works, but the only reply I got after 6 weeks is that they were "looking into it".
User u/Garsant made a useful Excel-worksheet, available for you to download, where you can quickly type in the payouts on the horses, to see if it produces a profitable bet or not. You can find it in his post here: https://www.reddit.com/gtaonline/comments/ekp8na/gta_online_inside_track_odd_calculato

1) Wheel of Fortune
The number one profitable casino game in GTA Online is obviously the Wheel of Fortune, because it costs you nothing to play.
Unfortunately, you only get one free spin per day, but it holds great value, so make sure you do it.
With a chance to win a super car, vehicle discounts, expensive mystery prizes (which also can be vehicles), and a lot of cash and chips, the expected return on a single spin is around $100,000 in value.
So don't forget your daily spin, it's definitely worth your time.

2020 Update:
As of the Diamond Casino Heist update, the Inside Track horse racing is confirmed to still be as profitable as outlined above.The only thing that seems to be changed, is that you can't refresh the field anymore by backing out of the screen. This does affect your hourly rate in a negative way, but does not change the fact that this game has a huge positive expected return, and should be your go-to when you're trying to take money from the house, without having Lester's nagging voice in your ear. That should also be worth something.

And with that, I conclude my 5,000 word essay on gambling in GTA. Questions, comments, feel free to add your input to this guide.

Cliffs:
-Gambling games should only be played for fun, not for big money. You should expect to lose in the long run. The house always wins.
-A casino game doesn't have a memory, and betting systems don't work.
-Set your limits before you start, how much you are willing to lose or win, and then walk away when you get there.
-Don't play slots, roulette, or three card poker.
-Only play blackjack following a basic strategy chart (https://prnt.sc/olct6g).
-Inside Track betting can be played profitably, if you only bet on fields WITHOUT a heavy favorite.
-Wheel of Fortune is always your best bet, because it's a free bet.
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Ultimate Gambling Guide for GTA Online - odds, probabilities, and optimal strategies

This is not mine, the creator of this is u/enderpiet

Since the Diamond Casino update, I have seen a large number of 12-year-olds posting Blackjack memes on this sub. As a parent, this has me very worried.
On top of that, I have seen some of the most trustworthy GTA Youtubers giving flawed gambling advice, which can have damaging impact on their gullible audiences.
So that's why I decided to write this up, to educate everyone on the subject, so there will be no more misunderstandings.
(2020 Update down at the bottom.)
If you're one of those Youtubers that wants to use this information in a video, feel free to do so. The more people (especially kids) that become educated about gambling, the better.
But then also please go back and review your own work, and delete or edit the videos that are giving out the wrong advice, like where you're saying you have "a good strategy for making money with roulette", or some other nonsense that I've heard this week. Delete that please.
Before I get into the individual games, I need to discuss a few concepts first, that will make understanding the rest a lot easier.
Expected return and variance
A game like Roulette or Slots has a fixed expected return on your bets. This is a percentage that you have no way of influencing. Say you are flipping a coin against a friend, and you both put up $1. The winner gets the pot. Since the odds are even at 50%, in the long run, you will expect to break even. Your expected return is 100% of your bet.
But imagine if you would play this coin flipping game in a casino against the house. On the "house rules" listed at the table they would probably say that you would only get 95 cents back for every win, while you are forfeiting a dollar on every loss. Would you still play?
Sounds stupid to do so, but still, everybody does it. Every bet they place on Roulette, every coin they put into a Slot machine, is based on the same concept.
Those few cents they take on every bet are their profit margin, and has paid for all the Vegas lights, the Mirage volcanoes, and the Bellagio fountains. Make no mistake - casino gambling games are not designed to make you lose, because sure, you can get lucky on a single night, but they are designed to make them win. That's the beauty of it. They can both exist at the same time.
Too many people that don't see how this works, are just destined for disaster. Just because you went on a lucky streak and won 8 games out of 10, does not mean that flipping coins is a profitable game, or that choosing tails is a winning strategy. Always be aware of the house edge, your true chances of winning, and just realize that you got lucky. There is no such thing as a strategy in flipping a coin that will give you a higher expected return, so it's just pure gambling, just like Slots and Roulette.
Most casino games are made in such a way, that your expected return is a little under 100%. This means that from every dollar bet at the tables, the casino expects to keep a few cents. For individual players, results may vary. Some will win, most will lose. But for the house, it doesn't matter. They take millions of bets each day, so for them, the expected average works out a lot sooner. In short: the house always wins.
When looking at the house edge, we're talking about the expected long-term result, based on the game's house rules. But for a player, it can take literally tens of thousands of hands or spins before you also reach this average number. Until that time, you can experience huge upswings and downswings, that are the result of nothing but short-term luck, which is called variance.
Some games and some bets have a much higher variance than others, which means your actual results will differ enormously from what you're expected to be at.
Take for example betting on red/black at the Roulette table. This is a low-variance proposition, because it has a high percentage chance of occurring, and a low payout.
Contrast this with betting single numbers in Roulette, which only win once every 38 spins on average. This bet has a much higher variance, meaning you can easily hit a dry spell, and not hit anything for 200 bets in a row, or you can see a single number hit three times in five consecutive spins. This is not a freak occurrence in high-variance bets.
Even though the expected return in both these bets is exactly the same, there's a huge difference in variance, causing massive differences in short-term results, which can go both ways. You need to be aware of this, before you decide what types of bets you are comfortable with placing.
Gamblers' Fallacy
Another thing to realize, is that each individual game, hand, or spin, is completely independent from the one(s) before it, and after it.
Gamblers tend to believe, that the chance of a certain outcome is increased, based on previous results.
The most famous example comes from the Casino de Monte Carlo, where the Roulette wheel managed to land on black 26 times in a row. Gamblers lost many millions during that streak, all frantically betting on red, believing that the odds were in favor of the wheel coming out on red, after producing so many blacks. This is not true. Each round is completely independent, and the odds are exactly the same.
You will hear people say things like a Blackjack table being "hot" or "cold", which is completely superstitious, and should be ignored. The exception was when Blackjack was being dealt from a shoe. It made card counting possible. But with the introduction of shuffle machines, and continuous shuffling like is being used in GTA, this no longer exists.
This is also why "chasing your losses" is a very bad idea. After being on a losing streak for some time, many gamblers believe that now it's their turn to start winning. So they will often increase their bet size, believing that when their predicted winning streak comes around, they will win back their losses, and more.
The reality of it, more often than not, is that people will indeed start playing higher and higher limits, until they are completely broke. Nobody is ever "due for a win". There is never a guarantee that you're about to start winning. In fact, the opposite is more likely to be true. You are, after all, in a casino.
Betting systems
Some people like to think that they have a fool-proof betting system, like the Martingale system. Simply increase or even double your bet when you lose, and keep doing that until you win. In theory, this system will always win. So that's why table limits were introduced, and where the system fails.
If you start at the Roulette table, playing red/black, with a small 750 chip wager, and just double your bet every time you lose, you only have to lose 6 times in a row, before you will be betting the table limit of 48,000, just to get that 750 chip profit.
Sure, you can go on all evening without this happening, winning 750 chips each time, but this losing streak only has to happen once, and you're bust. Any betting system like this is ill-advised, because you are hugely increasing your so-called "risk of ruin", and that's what we were trying to avoid.
And even if your starting bet is only 100 chips, after only nine straight losses, and nine doubled bets, you are betting the table limit at 50,000 chips. If you lose that bet, you're 100,000 chips in the hole, with no way to recover that with your 100 chip base wager.
So don't believe anyone that says this is the perfect system to always win in the casino. Sooner or later they will understand why they were wrong, when they're asking you for a loan.
Set your limits BEFORE you start playing
One final point before we get into the games, a general tip for people that head out to play: money management.
Just like in real life, before you go to the casino, decide on a maximum amount that you are WILLING TO LOSE.
Bet small enough, so that amount can last you through the entire evening, and you will not be tempted to run to the ATM to continue playing.
Considering GTA money, some people will be comfortable losing 1% of their GTA bank balance, some people will be comfortable with gambling away 5% of their total GTA savings. It's up to you what you can handle. Decide for yourself where it will start to hurt, and don't cross that line.
But whatever number you decide on, as soon as you lost that amount, get up and walk away. Don't chase your losses, stick to your limits, and accept that this has not been your day. There is always another game tomorrow. Always agree with yourself on a simple stop-loss rule, how much you would want to lose at most, and simply stop playing when you get there.
Same goes for winning. You can decide on a number, how much profit you would like to take away from the casino. You can go on a hot streak and be up half a million in a short period of time, but if you would continue to play longer, looking for more, chances are that you're going to lose it all back.
Most people are happy with doubling their daily casino budget, for example. Others are looking for 10 bets profit in Blackjack. Whatever you choose, when you hit that number, you can stop playing and bank your profits, or you can continue playing if you're still enjoying the games, but then only just play minimum bet sizes. Then you're just playing for fun, not for money. You've already made your profit, so simply keep it in your pocket, and don't risk losing it again.
Either way, decide on what your money management strategy will be, and STICK TO IT.
Casino games in GTA Online
Now, I'm going to dive into the games that you can find at the Diamond casino, ordered from worst to best.
6) Slots
Generally the rule is this: the less strategy a game has, the worse it is for the player. And with slots, this is definitely the case.
The only influence you have, is choosing what type of machine you're going to play. Basically, there are two types of slot machines:
-high frequency, low payout slots
-low frequency, high payout slots
In the first type, there is no huge (progressive) jackpot on offer, just your average selection of prizes that don't go up to crazy amounts.
This will result in a player having many more spins resulting in a win. The amounts that you win on the bigger prizes, will be smaller, but they do come around more often. This type of slot machine has a lower variance, which means that your money should last you longer, winning many smaller prizes along the way to keep you going.
The second type of slot machine lures you in with the temptation of a huge jackpot prize. Even though the long-term expected return on these machines is the same as the previous type, the prize distribution is hugely different. The large jackpot prize weighs heavily on the scale of expected return, but the chance of it hitting is extremely small. This results in a much higher variance on this type of machine. Usually your money will go down very fast, because the smaller prizes are less rewarding than on the other type of machine.
At the Diamond, the info screen says the player return at slots is set at 98.7%. This means that, on average, for every maximum bet of 2,500 chips, you expect to lose 32.5 chips.
This might not seem like a lot, but the danger of slots is that the game is extremely fast. You can spin about once every 6 seconds, which would result in an expected LOSS of about 20,000 chips per hour of playing.
But again, in this long-term expected number, the large jackpot awards are also factored in, and as long as you don't hit those big prizes, you'll see your money go down a lot faster.
In any case, thank heavens the max bet is only set at 2,500, or else we would see more players go bankrupt at alarming rates.
Optimal strategy for slots:
There is none. Because after betting, you have no more influence over the outcome. The only choices you have, is what type of machine you want to play at, and how much money you are going to risk. And those are all personal preference. As long as you stick to your loss limits, as discussed above, there's no harm in having a go every once in a while, hoping to get a lucky hit. Just realize that you don't have a high chance of scoring a big win, so as soon as you do, get up and walk away.
5) Roulette
Roulette is also a game where you have no influence over the outcome. There is zero skill involved. You place your bet, and that's it.
In traditional French roulette, a table has only the single-zero, but of course, for American casinos that wasn't enough of a house edge, so they simply doubled their profits by adding a second zero. The house edge was increased from 1/37 to 1/19, which is huge.
This makes playing on a double-zero roulette table by definition a sucker's play.
The payouts scale evenly, which means that a bet on a single number, and a bet on half of the numbers, and everything in between, yields the same expected return. The only difference, again, being the variance that you are willing to subject yourself to.
The player return for double-zero Roulette for all bets is 94.74%.
Except for the 5-number bet, which can only be made by placing a bet on the two top rows that contain 0, 00, 1, 2 and 3. The expected return on this bet is lower: 92.1%. This is because it only pays out 6-1. Why? Well, the number 36 isn't divisible by 5, so the greedy people that came up with double-zero Roulette had to round it off someway, and as expected, it wasn't going to be in the players' favor.Just remember that that 5-number bet is the worst bet at the table, and should be avoided. All other possible bets have the same expected return.
So it really doesn't matter how you spread your bets, if you bet only one chip, or if you litter the entire table with a bucketload of chips. Each chip you put out there, has the same expected return, so there is no strategy that will improve your long-term results.
Assuming that you're betting the maximum table amount of 50,000 chips, you will be looking at an expected loss of about 2,630 chips per spin. Considering that a round takes about 45 seconds to complete, your expected LOSS at the GTA Roulette tables will be around 200,000 chips per hour of playing.
Optimal strategy for double-zero roulette:
Stay away. Stay far away.
4) Three Card Poker
With Three Card Poker, we come across the first game where there is actually some strategy involved. You get to look at your cards, and then decide if you want to fold, and surrender your ante, or double your bet.
Additionally, you can choose to place a side bet on "Pair Plus", which offers progressive payouts.
There are some websites out there that ran all the numbers with computer simulations, and even though I would like to quote the source here, these websites are understandably littered to the max with online casino ads, so that's why I have decided against doing that.
Optimal strategy for Three Card Poker:
For this game you only have to remember one strategy rule: Always bet on any high card queen-six-four or better, and fold any high card queen-six-three or lower. That's it. Just don't forget to double check if you're not folding a straight or a flush, and you'll be fine.
This strategy will result in an expected return of 96.63%.
The Pair Plus sidebet, with the payout table that is used at the Diamond casino, gives you an expected return of 97.68%, which is actually a bit better than the main ante bet.
So by playing both wagers, you're reducing your expected losses per bet, but since you're betting more, you're also increasing your expected loss per hour.
My advice would obviously be to not play this game at all, but if you do, put as much of your bet as possible on the Pair Plus, while making our Ante bet as small as you can.
To be able to compare it to the other games at the Diamond, let's stay on that 50,000 maximum wager, meaning making your ante bet 35,000, and your pair plus bet 15,000, if the table would allow it.
This results in an expected loss of about 1,525 chips per hand, and with a round taking about 45 seconds, this adds up to an expected LOSS of around 120,000 chips per hour of playing. In comparison, if you would only play the ante bet for 50,000 per hand, you expect to lose 1,685 chips per hand, which means an expected LOSS of about 135,000 chips per hour. So the more out of that 50,000 wager you can put on the "Pair Plus" sidebet, the better.
Even though it may be fun to try out this game for a bit, since there's only one simple strategy rule to follow, you'll soon find yourself robotically grinding down your bankroll until it has vaporized. You're not missing out on anything if you skip these tables, there is no real challenge.
Just like with Roulette and Slots, if you want to try it out nonetheless, you can just bet the minimum amounts and only play for fun, so it won't matter if you win or lose.
3) Blackjack
Blackjack is the most complicated game by far. Simply because the player has to make a series of decisions, which will largely decide the outcome. Luckily, there is such a thing as an optimal strategy, which will be outlined below.
However, the strategy is also dependent on the house rules. These not only affect your expected return, but in some places also your decisions.
Here are the house rules at the Diamond casino:
-The game uses 4 standard decks, and a continuous shuffle.
-Blackjack pays 3 to 2, dealer checks for early blackjack.
-No insurance offered, no surrender.
-Dealer stands on soft 17.
-Double down on any two cards.
-Player can split only once, but doubling after split is allowed.
-Seven-Card Charlie.
Under these rules, and following the "basic strategy" chart, your expected return at Blackjack is a shade under 99.6%, which is extremely good for a casino game, that's why Blackjack should be your table game of choice.
But it comes at a price: you are going to have to memorize the relatively complicated strategy chart, or at least stick it to your monitor until you have it in your head. But in case you ever stumble into a real-life casino, you won't regret having this table memorized, so I would definitely advise you to work on that.
The strategy chart might look complicated at first, but you will be able to notice certain patterns. Your decisions are mainly based on the dealer's upcard, which is basically divided into a weak card (2 to 6), and a strong card (7 to ace).
When a dealer shows a strong card, you will be hitting more often with the risk of going bust, but when a dealer shows a weak card, you're not taking that risk, and you will be standing more, but also doubling and splitting more. You want to increase your bets when the odds are in your favor, and get out cheap when they're not.
But it also helps to take some time to think about why a certain advice is given. For example, why does it say that you always have to split two eights, even against an ace. Well, that's because two eights equals 16, which is the worst total you can have. It's better to split them up, and give yourself a chance of finding a 17, 18 or 19 with the next card. Once you see the logic in that, you'll have one less thing to memorize.
The playing advice in the basic strategy chart is a result of computer simulations that ran all possible outcomes against each other, and produced the most profitable decision for each situation. So you can't go wrong following it.
Optimal strategy for Blackjack with Seven-Card Charlie
The added house rule of Seven-Card Charlie, adds a small advantage for the player, and it does influence a few strategy decisions. For example, you might have a 14 with 6 cards, against the dealer's 5 upcard.
Normally this would be an automatic stand, but if you're only one card away from the Seven-Card Charlie, meaning an instant win for the player, regardless of the dealer's hand, it turns it into a hit.
Here's the most optimal strategy chart to follow for the Diamond Casino house rules:https://prnt.sc/olct6g
You'll see that two fives are missing from the chart, and that's because you never split them. You treat them as a regular 10. You also never split tens. Just stand on 20.
If you follow this strategy religiously, even with a maximum wager of 50,000 chips, you only expect to lose about 215 chips per hand, and with rounds taking about 30 seconds, that amounts to an expected LOSS of 26,000 chips per hour, which is only half a bet. A small price to pay for an hour of entertainment.
But since the expected return is so extremely close to 100%, you will see more positive short-term results than with other games. But obviously it can also swing the other way. Again, this is supposed to be the game where your money lasts you the longest, but always set your loss and win limits before you sit down. That rule simply always applies.
Still, even with optimal strategies applied, all these games are expected to lose you money in the long run. So betting any kind of large amounts is not advised. If you simply want to enjoy playing these games, there's nothing wrong with betting a minimal amount. Playing these games for a longer period of time will already cost you money anyway, since your daily property fees will still be charged while you're playing in the GTA casino. As long as you can play for fun, there's nothing wrong, but when you see yourself betting insane chunks of your entire bank balance to try to recoup some unfortunate losses, you're doing it wrong.
As the commercials in Britain all correctly say: when the fun stops, stop.
2) Virtual Horse Racing
Now onto the good stuff. I ran some numbers, and I believe Rockstar has made a mistake with the horse racing game. Because as it stands, and if I read the numbers correctly, this game is actually profitable for the player. You can actually make money with this, at least, until Rockstar figures out their mistake and patches it.
If anyone wants to jump into the math and double check this to make sure, please do so. I will add any corrections to this post. This is one of those "to good to be true" things, so I keep thinking that I might have overlooked something. So please verify it if you can.
The setup is this. There is a pool of 100 horses, each with their own attached payout. These are divided into 3 groups, ranked by their odds. From each group, 2 horses are randomly selected to provide a pool of six runners for you to bet on.
Now it's not an actual race you're looking at. You are looking at a raffle. This is important to realize.
Each horse gets awarded a certain number of raffle tickets. The favorites get awarded more tickets than the underdogs, and therefore, have a higher chance of winning.
If this distribution works like it does in the real-life casinos, then the raffle tickets are awarded according to the betting odds.
Example 1: imagine a race with 3 runners, all have 2/1 odds, representing a 33.3% chance of winning. (Because 2/1 means 2 AGAINST 1, so 3 total.) In this case, each horse gets one third of the raffle tickets, giving them an equal chance to win.
Example 2: imagine a race with 3 runners, one has 1/1 odds (or EVENS), representing a 50% chance of winning, and the other two horses are marked up as 3/1, with a 25% chance of winning. The favorite gets half the tickets, the other two get a quarter of the tickets each.
A ticket is drawn, and you'll have a winner.
It doesn't matter in this game which horse you bet on, because the expected return is always the same: 100% or break-even, for the above examples.
Now, what happens if the percentages don't exactly add up to 100%?
They must add up to 100%, because there will always be a winner. And only one winner.
So when this is the case, the actual winning chances of the horses are adjusted to meet the 100% requirement, using their payout odds to determine the scale.
So, if the represented percentages add up to more than 100%, the actual winning chances of the runners will be DECREASED, resulting in all bets becoming losing propositions for the players.
Example: In a 6-horse race, all runners are listed at 4/1, representing a 20% chance. Only with six runners that amounts to 120%. So all chances are scaled down by 1/6th, to end up at 100%.
This means your horse's chances are reduced from 20% to 16.67%, turning it into a losing bet: 5 times you will lose your bet, and 1 time you will win, but only get 4 bets back in this instance, instead of 5. A losing bet in the long run.
This is the type of odds that you find in regular casinos, with fields as large as 15 runners to bet on, where the assumed winning chances always add up to more than 100%, therefore are decreased for all runners, resulting in a house edge.
But in GTA Online's Inside Track, there are other scenarios, because of the small field, and the way that they are put together.
In some cases, the represented percentages when added up, are LESS than 100%, meaning that the actual winning chances of all runners, are INCREASED.
This creates profitable bets for the players, because in the long run, you're expecting to win more money than you lose. This is a gambler's dream, pure and simple.
So, according to the in-game information, the three groups of horses are divided as follows:
-Favorites: EVENS to 5-1
-Outsiders: 6-1 to 15-1
-Underdogs: 16-1 to 30-1
Let's take the two most extreme examples to show what's happening.
The worst possible field to bet on: two runners at EVENS, two runners at 6-1, and two runners at 16-1.
EVENS represents a 50% chance, 6-1 is 14.29%, and 16-1 is 5.88%. Add those up and you land on a total of 140.34%.
This means that the actual winning chances of the horses are decreased by 28.75% (to get that 140% down to 100%), which makes betting on this field extremely unwise.
A horse at EVENS will only come in as a winner 35.63% of the time, instead of 50%,
a horse at 6-1 will only win 10.18% of the time,
and an underdog at 16-1 will only win 4.19% of the time.
The expected return on a bet on any of the horses in this field is only 71.26%, so a maximum bet of 10,000 chips on any of these horses holds an expected LOSS of 2,875 chips.
These returns are the same, because the winning chances are scaled equally, according to the payout numbers. So it really doesn't matter which horse you bet on, in the long run, you expect the same results.
But as explained before, it does influence variance, and therefore your short-term result, which can swing both ways.
But now, the best possible field to bet on: two runners at 5-1, two runners at 15-1, and two runners at 30-1.
Odds at 5-1 represents a winning chance of 16.67%, 15-1 odds means 6.25% chance, and 30-1 odds means a 3.23% chance of winning. Add these six horses together, and you only get 52.285%.
This means that, to get from 52% to 100%, the actual winning chances of these horses will be almost doubled! Multiplied by 1.91 to be exact.
So the 5-1 favorites will now win 31.88% of the time, instead of 16.67%,
the 15-1 runners will win 11.95% of the time,
and the underdogs at 30-1 odds will still win 6.17% of the time.
When betting on this field, the expected return on your bet is 191.25%!
This means that a max bet of 10,000 chips will result in an expected PROFIT of 9,125 chips.
This is printing money, if there ever was such a thing.
Optimal strategy for Virtual Horse racing
So all you have to do, is only bet high on the games where you have an expected positive return, and bet the absolute minimum on the games where your expected return is negative. Or back out of the racing game to refresh the field.
If you don't have a way to quickly add up all the percentages, and until somebody shows up here with a neatly formatted table, just use a few general rules of thumb:
-Always bet the maximum on a race with favorites at 2/1 and 3/1 or higher in it.
-Simply skip all races with two favorites at EVENS in it, and at EVENS and 2/1. Or bet the minimum, if you can't skip or refresh the field.
-To decide if you should play races with other favorite combinations EVENS and 3/1, EVENS and 4/1, EVENS and 5/1, or two favorites at 2/1, the payouts on the other four runners determine whether or not it's profitable to play them. The results of betting on these fields vary from an expected 1,330 chip loss (worst-case) to an expected 1,680 chip win (best-case), with a max bet of 10,000 chips.
But if you're not looking for another strategy chart, you might just want to skip these borderline cases, and just cherry pick the best ones, which are easy to recognize, and with which you can never go wrong.
It's difficult to put a number on an expected win-rate, because it all depends on which fields you get presented with, but it's not unreasonable to state that you can maintain a steady win-rate of around 200,000 chips per hour, with about 50 seconds per race.
Remember, you're not trying to win every race. You're trying to win the most money per hour. So don't sweat it when you bet on a 4/1 favorite, and lose a couple of races in a row. It will still be more profitable in the long run. You have the math on your side.
To reduce negative variance, always bet on the favorite, when betting on profitable fields. We're not gambling anymore, we're grinding out a steady profit. We want to keep the swings to a minimum.
I contacted Rockstar support to verify if this is indeed how it works, but the only reply I got after 6 weeks is that they were "looking into it".
User u/Garsant made a useful Excel-worksheet, available for you to download, where you can quickly type in the payouts on the horses, to see if it produces a profitable bet or not. You can find it in his post here: https://www.reddit.com/gtaonline/comments/ekp8na/gta_online_inside_track_odd_calculato
1) Wheel of Fortune
The number one profitable casino game in GTA Online is obviously the Wheel of Fortune, because it costs you nothing to play.
Unfortunately, you only get one free spin per day, but it holds great value, so make sure you do it.
With a chance to win a super car, vehicle discounts, expensive mystery prizes (which also can be vehicles), and a lot of cash and chips, the expected return on a single spin is around $100,000 in value.
So don't forget your daily spin, it's definitely worth your time.
2020 Update:
As of the Diamond Casino Heist update, the Inside Track horse racing is confirmed to still be as profitable as outlined above.The only thing that seems to be changed, is that you can't refresh the field anymore by backing out of the screen. This does affect your hourly rate in a negative way, but does not change the fact that this game has a huge positive expected return, and should be your go-to when you're trying to take money from the house, without having Lester's nagging voice in your ear. That should also be worth something.
And with that, I conclude my 5,000 word essay on gambling in GTA. Questions, comments, feel free to add your input to this guide.
Cliffs:
-Gambling games should only be played for fun, not for big money. You should expect to lose in the long run. The house always wins.
-A casino game doesn't have a memory, and betting systems don't work.
-Set your limits before you start, how much you are willing to lose or win, and then walk away when you get there.
-Don't play slots, roulette, or three card poker.
-Only play blackjack following a basic strategy chart (https://prnt.sc/olct6g).
-Inside Track betting can be played profitably, if you only bet on fields WITHOUT a heavy favorite.
-Wheel of Fortune is always your best bet, because it's a free bet.
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